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re: Can teachers really close the "achievement gap?"
Posted on 10/6/16 at 5:06 am to chryso
Posted on 10/6/16 at 5:06 am to chryso
5otally incorrect, yes all students are in the same classroom and yes closing the gap is difficult. However, teachers can contribute to closing that gap and many times it has nothing to do with material being learned.
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Posted on 10/6/16 at 5:09 am to rpg37
You paint with too broad a brush
Posted on 10/6/16 at 5:20 am to rpg37
The answer is easy. Let the dumb kids sit out of school for a couple years. When they are 11 put them in 1st grade. Seems like they should excel at that point.
Posted on 10/6/16 at 7:27 am to slackster
How much of this is other countries juking the stats? I have read that in china they only measure achievement for the kids that are on the college track (which they determine at a young age).
Posted on 10/6/16 at 7:38 am to BluegrassBelle
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Everything has become about "college readiness" when the reality is that we desperately need skilled laborers in our workforce
Georgia is actually bringing back the much needed Vo-tech classes.
Posted on 10/6/16 at 8:07 am to rpg37
It is absolutely possible but requires more than your standard classroom time and a committed student.
You need the students to meet one on one with learning coaches. Those that can help break down the class materials into understandable chunks. The learning coach also teaches note taking and study skills.
Additionally you need to have instructor led, peer study groups meeting in areas of literacy and math.
Active learning is absolutely vital. Nothing is achieved if the students are simply sitting at a desk while others talk at them.
I know specific cases here in BR where a functionally illiterate student in the 11th grade followed this model and managed to earn their college degree on time.
It is absolutely possible but would be expensive to implement
You need the students to meet one on one with learning coaches. Those that can help break down the class materials into understandable chunks. The learning coach also teaches note taking and study skills.
Additionally you need to have instructor led, peer study groups meeting in areas of literacy and math.
Active learning is absolutely vital. Nothing is achieved if the students are simply sitting at a desk while others talk at them.
I know specific cases here in BR where a functionally illiterate student in the 11th grade followed this model and managed to earn their college degree on time.
It is absolutely possible but would be expensive to implement
This post was edited on 10/6/16 at 8:09 am
Posted on 10/6/16 at 8:59 am to rpg37
Look, not all people are going to be intelligent. We are all different but equal in some way shape or form.
I am super smart, but I am also a raging, impatient a-hole -- you see -- balance.
Some people are simply not intelligent, but have incredible dexterity. Or perhaps they lack smarts but have incredible bravery. We all have pros and cons. In every facet of life. I play chess. I'm good at it. I suck at football. However, I would imagine that most people better than me at football, would lose to me at chess. It all balances out in the end.
As others have said - the answer should not be to stuff us all in to the same bag, but to make sure to present options to all that will give them a chance. I hear some schools are now separating after junior year - college prep or trade school prep. To me , this is genius! Really it is. College is just not the answer for everyone. Especially what is happening to colleges.... Everything needs balance, but there is no balance in college, it is run by 90%+ on the far left.
I digress,
Think about a plumber, when I was growing up, I did not consider a plumber to be a lucrative career. Well, I know a few different plumbers, and they are all living quite comfortably. And when I say comfortably, I certainly do not mean paycheck to paycheck. I mean early retirement is on the brain. No college - just hard work. PS - I am not a plumber, was just a personal example that came to mind.
As far as the "achievement gap" sadly, the answer is already there, but we are just not allowed to use it. IQ tests from around the world, have all the answers to your questions.
80, 85, 100, 110. This is your achievement gap. This is a stereotype and therefore there are probably millions of exceptions to this rule, but these are indeed averages -- taken from tens of millions of samples.
My wife used to be a teacher, so I have some knowledge on the subject. If you want to know how to truly fix it, separate the kids -- by intelligence. When you have high level students and low level students in the same class. One party will suffer. Either the high kids as they wait for the low to get it, or the low kids as they get left behind by the high kids. Inclusion classes are stupid. Everything in this world is about feelings, not what is actually best for people.
It is also super inefficient for the teacher to try and have a separate lesson plan prepared, to keep the high kids busy. It is ineffective. When I was young, they just sent all the smart kids to schools called GT. I went to the GT schools, and there were plenty of minorities. I am certain I'll get labelled a racist for simply speaking the truth, but fwiw my best friend (another genius just like me) was black. Until, very sadly, we were 18 and he was killed by two cops, who held him down and sprayed two cans of pepper spray in his face - which caused asphyxiation. Autopsy - INCONCLUSIVE.
Take a test, all the kids (no matter what race) go into the class that best fits their current skill level. High kids are able to learn at a pace the benefits them. Lower kids are allowed to learn at the pace that best benefits them.
Am I crazy in thinking that should just be common sense?
I am super smart, but I am also a raging, impatient a-hole -- you see -- balance.
Some people are simply not intelligent, but have incredible dexterity. Or perhaps they lack smarts but have incredible bravery. We all have pros and cons. In every facet of life. I play chess. I'm good at it. I suck at football. However, I would imagine that most people better than me at football, would lose to me at chess. It all balances out in the end.
As others have said - the answer should not be to stuff us all in to the same bag, but to make sure to present options to all that will give them a chance. I hear some schools are now separating after junior year - college prep or trade school prep. To me , this is genius! Really it is. College is just not the answer for everyone. Especially what is happening to colleges.... Everything needs balance, but there is no balance in college, it is run by 90%+ on the far left.
I digress,
Think about a plumber, when I was growing up, I did not consider a plumber to be a lucrative career. Well, I know a few different plumbers, and they are all living quite comfortably. And when I say comfortably, I certainly do not mean paycheck to paycheck. I mean early retirement is on the brain. No college - just hard work. PS - I am not a plumber, was just a personal example that came to mind.
As far as the "achievement gap" sadly, the answer is already there, but we are just not allowed to use it. IQ tests from around the world, have all the answers to your questions.
80, 85, 100, 110. This is your achievement gap. This is a stereotype and therefore there are probably millions of exceptions to this rule, but these are indeed averages -- taken from tens of millions of samples.
My wife used to be a teacher, so I have some knowledge on the subject. If you want to know how to truly fix it, separate the kids -- by intelligence. When you have high level students and low level students in the same class. One party will suffer. Either the high kids as they wait for the low to get it, or the low kids as they get left behind by the high kids. Inclusion classes are stupid. Everything in this world is about feelings, not what is actually best for people.
It is also super inefficient for the teacher to try and have a separate lesson plan prepared, to keep the high kids busy. It is ineffective. When I was young, they just sent all the smart kids to schools called GT. I went to the GT schools, and there were plenty of minorities. I am certain I'll get labelled a racist for simply speaking the truth, but fwiw my best friend (another genius just like me) was black. Until, very sadly, we were 18 and he was killed by two cops, who held him down and sprayed two cans of pepper spray in his face - which caused asphyxiation. Autopsy - INCONCLUSIVE.
Take a test, all the kids (no matter what race) go into the class that best fits their current skill level. High kids are able to learn at a pace the benefits them. Lower kids are allowed to learn at the pace that best benefits them.
Am I crazy in thinking that should just be common sense?
This post was edited on 10/6/16 at 10:35 am
Posted on 10/6/16 at 10:04 am to airfernando
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Don't confuse the politics of education with the realities of education. Nobody is going to close the gap. Some people are more intelligent than others just like some people are more athletic. Half the population is dumber than the other half. Can't change that.
Then there's the reality of countless kids who are sent to expensive private schools where they actually get educated. Public schools can't close that gap, especially considering half or more of public school teachers aren't very smart and don't really have the support of administrators or parents. Parents want their kids to get good grades; they are not concerned about their kids being challenged.
this ... rich, poor, white, black, liberal or conservative ... irrelevant ...
This post was edited on 10/6/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/6/16 at 10:30 am to Strannix
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Only if they can magically change genetics
The Romans said the same thing about the Germans.
The Saxons said the same thing about the Celts.
The Mongols said the same thing about the other Asian (and European) people's they encountered.
The English said the same thing about the Scotts.
I'm pretty convinced its cultural.
Posted on 10/6/16 at 2:48 pm to bobaftt1212
This is true. Most countries segregate around age 14 with the college track or the blue collar job track. This allows them to test the high-performers and we test everyone equally. The world is not a fair place, but our PC culture will only hamper the US more as we start behind the 8-ball in education.
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