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re: Can someone summarize the St. George thing for me

Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17878 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:13 pm to
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Two governments, two permitting agencies, double the local government, more taxes, less cooperation between areas....nah, what could possibly be a problem with that?


So why not combine BRPD and EBR sheriffs? Every time the conversation gets started it gets shot down
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17878 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:14 pm to
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doesn't even live in "St. George"?


But I bet he and many more would move there in a heart beat if it happens
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:16 pm to
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Zachary and Central would support and all of St.George, so I think it would have a pretty good chance.


Voter turnout will play a large role in this, but just looking at population stats:

EBR = 440k

BR = 230k. City of Baton Rouge will be solidly against.
Unincorporated sections of BR that are not part of St. George = 40k? solidly against.

That pretty much seals the deal, right there but heres the rest:

Baker = 14k. Mostly against.
Central = 30k. Mostly for, but many will vote against because people moving out there for schools is good for them.
SG = 110k. Mostly for, but many will vote against incorporation, especially retirees and people who love private schools and just don't want to pay more taxes.
Zachary = 11k. Strongly for, as far as I can tell.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17878 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:16 pm to
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Zachary has been a separately incorporated town/city for over 100 years


ANd in a 100 years we will say the same about St George
Posted by Sprocket46
Member since Apr 2014
732 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:19 pm to
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white people trying to re-institute segregation


Thats asinine. EBRPSS is 85% black. THAT is segregation. St.George wants a school system that would be about 50/50, and we want segregation? Sorry, the facts don't support your claim.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17878 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:20 pm to
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Voter turnout will play a large role in this, but just looking at population stats:


But only those in the proposed area vote for the incorporation, then if that passes the larger area (possibly a statewide election)would have a vote on the potential school district, at that point St. George will be it's own city and I think people will vote in favor
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:37 pm to
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But only those in the proposed area vote for the incorporation, then if that passes the larger area (possibly a statewide election)would have a vote on the potential school district, at that point St. George will be it's own city and I think people will vote in favor


You need to pay attention. This was in reference to a new school district. I pointed out that the divisive atmosphere may help get a city formed but it ensures that people in BR and some other areas will vote against any new school district in south baton rouge.

Which part of that don't you understand?
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
30511 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:56 pm to
well this escalated quickly
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:57 pm to
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60% white


70% to my recaollection
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:58 pm to
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Thats asinine. EBRPSS is 85% black. THAT is segregation. St.George wants a school system that would be about 50/50, and we want segregation? Sorry, the facts don't support your claim.
:kern:
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17878 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:01 pm to
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I pointed out that the divisive atmosphere may help get a city formed but it ensures that people in BR and some other areas will vote against any new school district in south baton rouge.


I disagree, I feel that once St George becomes a city, there will not be that big of a fight to form it's own school district, and there is the possibility that the formation of the new school district will be a state wide vote and not just parish wide

which part do you not understand? Maybe you need to pay attention.....why do you have to turn to such an arse instead of having a amicable conversation?
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:09 pm to
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I feel that once St George becomes a city, there will not be that big of a fight to form it's own school district


You feel that people in Baton Rouge will suddenly support the break-away school district? What gives you that impression? If anything, you're just going to anger them more - depending on how much of the tax base SG grabs.

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there is the possibility that the formation of the new school district will be a state wide vote and not just parish wide


A possibility, eh? It's not just a possibility but a certainty that a new school district would require a majority vote in both the parish and state. The parish vote is the one that I'm saying will fail.

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which part do you not understand? Maybe you need to pay attention.....why do you have to turn to such an arse instead of having a amicable conversation?


I am being amicable. You're speaking about your feelings. I'm applying logic to facts and data.
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17878 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:14 pm to
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You need to pay attention.

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I am being amicable



eh. No you are not

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I'm applying logic to facts and data.


and you are giving your opinion of what you think will happen, as am I
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70450 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:16 pm to
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So AP and LP are more segragated than EBR?


Yes and no. There are less African Americans as a percent than BR (at least on the east bank of the parish), but the blacks that are there are much more heavily middle class and working class than entitled and poor. On the east side, there are country blacks (mostly lower middle and working class) in Geismar, Dutchtown, Darrow, and Gonzales. The West bank of the parish (i.e. Donaldsonville) is overwhelmingly African American with a more "urban" black culture marked with high levels of poverty and entitlement.

Basically, the blacks on the west side are more "thug" and the east side are more country.

It's demographics. Color has nothing to do with it, it's all about economic standing and 2 parent households. Most of the black children on the east bank have 2 parents in their homes, those on the west do not.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17878 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:18 pm to
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2 parent households


Ding ding ding

add to that 2 parent households that give a damn about their child's education and are involved and support the school
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134870 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:32 pm to
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there is the possibility that the formation of the new school district will be a state wide vote and not just parish wide
quote:

which part do you not understand?
Wow.....
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58515 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:23 pm to
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LSURussian
More like LSURetard. amirite?
Posted by CurDog
Member since Jan 2007
28157 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:25 pm to
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well this escalated quickly


always does
Posted by Wasp
Off Highland rd.
Member since Sep 2012
1535 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:28 pm to
What is the 50/50 based on? Current enrollment in public school of students in the St. George area? What happens when private schools kids/parents decide they want to go to public school?
Posted by CurDog
Member since Jan 2007
28157 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:30 pm to
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What happens when private schools kids/parents decide they want to go to public school?


i cant speak for all of them but i know 3 that will not happen to
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