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Stang is the only answer

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Well it won’t be cheap across all the trim levels.

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That one will run you about 3 times what he wants to pay, but damn

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Yeah. But it’s worth it. What makes me sick is back in the 80’s our grandmother bought my older brother a 69 Fastback for his 16th birthday. Car was in mint condition. Had a 351 Windsor and would flatout fly. It was beautiful. The guy she bought it from was the owner of a local bank and he’d had it since it was new. He’d babied that car.

It lasted my brother right at a year. The day he sold it they had to come with a tow truck to haul it off. The trans was shot, engine knocking. We’d ragged that car out drag racing like stupid teenagers. Looking back I don’t even want to think about what that car would be worth today if it was still in the same condition it was the day she bought it for him. What a waste. Lesson learned though. Don’t buy a dumb teenager a muscle car or really any nice car because they won’t take care of it.

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And for years, camaro out-performs mustangs.

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Get the Mustang and throw on a cheap arse cherry bomb so you can be like every hood rat in BR

My dad was a mechanic at a Ford dealership from 1962 to 1970, and then opened his own shop. One of his brother's friends had a red and black 69 428 Cobra Jet, absolutely beautiful car. They were idiot kids, so dad would pull the reins on the tune for his car. It was still fast as hell. I sat in the back seat of that car at 160 mph once.

He eventually took it to another shop, and they tuned it right. Kid wrapped it around a tree and killed himself in it 3 weeks later.

Camaro. Mustangs are trash.

This is what happens to people driving Mustangs

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The Camaro also felt more powerful, though mine was a manual and the Mustangs were automatics.

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I don’t understand buying a sports/performance car with an automatic transmission. I had a camaro from 2010-2014 manual and loved every second of it. I get far fewer speeding tickets now tho with an SUV

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And for years, camaro out-performs mustangs.

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You laugh but he is right. Mustangs are not on the Camaro's level.

If it's TL;DR this is what matters:

The winner of this round? The Chevrolet Camaro 1LE. In my mind, it's not close. Chevy has done the near impossible, transcended the genre, and turned a once provincial pony car into an honest to goodness world-class sports car. This $46,000 miracle punches so far above its weight that I'm in danger of saying weird things that could easily be taken out of context. Such as, if I were an engineer at BMW or even Porsche, I'd be clearing off my drawing boards.

Where does that leave the Mustang? Well, if you don't care about measurable performance and are instead into the "cowboy science" side of things, you have your winner. However (and here's the part I hate writing), in the ways that actually matter to car guys, the 2018 Mustang got its butt handed to it. For less money, Chevy stone-cold out-engineered Ford. And this is what that galls me. Not only should Ford have done a better job, but I also know they can do a better job. The Shelby GT350R—a car that's every inch as awesome and breathtaking as a Porsche GT3—proves Ford has the knowledge to build a better car. Now it remains to be seen how much the forthcoming Performance Pack 2 closes the handling gap with that GT350 R and this Camaro SS 1LE.