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re: Calling all Psychologists, Physicists, Engineers, etc

Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:06 am to
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:06 am to
No. It's a thing, but not a science.
Posted by LSUTigahss
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:08 am to
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The true psychologists out there need to win back their field or it will just be an affirmation pill mill.

Very few Psychologists can write prescriptions.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:11 am to
Psychiatrists can write prescriptions.

Psychology is an interesting hobby for bored housewives.
Posted by Macfly
BR & DS
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 6:49 am to
No and it's based on non-testable hunches.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 6:50 am to
its a science, based on predictable human behavior.
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:22 am to
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Asking for myself.
bipolar... it's a scientific fact
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:26 am to
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The study of much social psychology is absolute pseudoscience.


It doesn't have to be.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:27 am to
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Never heard of the Stanford Prison Experiment, Stockholm Syndrome, or the Bystander Effect?


you missed the most important one.....

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:32 am to
i mean there is a ton of politics in it, lots of PC bullshite.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:36 am to
My late uncle’s PhD from Stanford in it assisted him in making him die a very comfortable man.

So there’s that.
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:36 am to
Yes.

There are real things in the mind that are predictable. Anchoring is real. The power of suggestion is real. Heuristics are real. The “herd.” “Mob” behavior.
The grief process is real. Positive thinking works.

Beauty, hope, love.

Advertising taps into psychology. Pricing certainly does. Sports is full of performance improving psychology.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:38 am to
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Is psychology a science?

It's a science but it's not perfect, but neither are "hard" sciences, these days. Nobody can replicate their studies anymore.
Posted by LRB1967
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:40 am to
It is a science. A lot of mental illness is biophysical like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. We are also learning more about neurotransmitters and their role in depression, anxiety, etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:42 am to
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But this could get into the neuro pathways and physiology of the brain.

An actual science, right?

Um, they're not separate concepts?

Are you under the impression that psychology isn't based around biology and instead relies on some magical explanation instead?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:43 am to
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But you have to call bullshite on behavioral science, right?

Why bring economics into this?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:44 am to
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Your implication is that the presentation of all paranoid schizophrenics is exactly identical?

You clearly don't understand how psychology of diagnosing works if THIS is your response

To answer your question: of course not, and nobody expects/demands an identical set of behaviors.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:49 am to
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Not yet. I think over 70% of psychology experiments can’t be replicated. Might be higher - I can’t remember the number. Non-replication is higher than one would think in the hard sciences, but psychology is way worse.


The Replication Crisis is bad all over. Psychology is softer than others, so it will likely be worse, but it's nowhere near the bottom. I imagine sociology and political science are way worse b/c of how much softer those are than psychology.

Some argue the Replication Crisis doesn't really exist, also

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When studying any phenomenon, it won’t be surprising if most hypotheses are wrong. This could be due to a number of reasons, including a tendency to test bold ideas or because the particular field of study is largely unexplored and difficult (like cancer biology). A high prior likelihood of hypotheses being wrong is then consistent with high-quality science. Due to inherent variability in experiments, some of these wrong hypotheses will falsely be proven right.

If false hypotheses constitute a large share of all possible hypotheses, the number of these false proofs may be comparable in numbers to the few hypotheses that are (correctly) proven right. This situation is further biased by the fact that scientists are more likely to report studies where they find something — regardless of whether it is really true or not — than when their hypotheses fail. Later experiments that attempt to replicate these falsely proven hypotheses will fail to do so.

Among scientific fields, psychology and clinical medicine are often reported to have the lowest rates of reproducibility. Unlike physics, our knowledge of biology is still far too incomplete to be able to understand biological systems from first principles. Consequently, hypotheses are more likely to be false, explaining the low reproducibility of experiments.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:58 am to
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i mean there is a ton of politics in it, lots of PC bullshite.


Sociology is basically Marxism presented in a more palatable manner.

Its just a systematic attack on societal institutions that "cause dysfunction."

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:01 am to
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Sociology is basically Marxism presented in a more palatable manner.

Its just a systematic attack on societal institutions that "cause dysfunction."


Those problems exist across any field that tries to study data, just FYI. A major problem with academia is that it's accepted certain (progressive) maxims as academic regulations, primarily dealing with studying minority-marginalized populations and having any results that would be critical of those populations.

This isn't limited to psychology or sociology, though. You go try to run some biological experiments that show any sort of biological difference in white and black populations that explain differing socioeconomic outcomes and you tell me how that works out for you
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 8:02 am
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:08 am to
Any psychologist worth his or her salt will tell you it is at least partly an art.

It is an attempt to use scientific methods to understand human psychology. Unfortunately, the main source of information can only be obtained from the subject who is likely to be unskilled at giving accurate information if they are even willing.

So it is science-based to a point but much is conjecture. And clearly (and often heavily) influenced by the most unscientific of sources, society.
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