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re: Cadillac releases new Escalade EV with 450 miles of range

Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by Death Before Disco
Member since Dec 2009
6459 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:03 pm to
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Probably because anyone that thought about it would realize even 8500 is nothing compared to loaded freight trucks
You’re such a fanatic on this issue. Assuming that the reports of crumbling infrastructure are true, then increasing the weight of the vehicles going over them every day should be a significant concern. We know the freight trucks are already there. If we are adding heavier EVs — and heavier ICEs for that matter — then we are increasing the amount of weight crossing that infrastructure every day.

My point was, if it’s bad to make heavier ICEs because of the toil on the infrastructure, then it’s also bad to make heavier EVs for the same reason.
Posted by subMOA
Komatipoort
Member since Jan 2010
2045 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:05 pm to
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EVs are nonsensical.


You’ve obviously never driven one.

A base Tesla 3 will make you pee your pants when you step on it. Can drive to Milwaukee from Chicago and back on one charge.

The technology exists today that all handheld equipment will be electric in the near future.

All power equipment under 25 hp soon after.

Passenger vehicles are making huge strides.

The only thing we don’t know how to do yet in industry is diesel equivalent over 100hp. So- farm, construction, and semis will be diesel for the foreseeable future.

All of y’all saying you won’t buy one sound like your parents when microwaves and VCRs were over $1000 each in the 80s.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:08 pm to
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Assuming that the reports of crumbling infrastructure are true, then increasing the weight of the vehicles going over them every day should be a significant concern. We know the freight trucks are already there. If we are adding heavier EVs — and heavier ICEs for that matter — then we are increasing the amount of weight crossing that infrastructure every day.

I don't think the crumbling bridges are due to the weight of passenger vehicles. The trucks carrying 30 tons probably aren't great but they also have more axles to disperse the weight. The main cause of crumbling infrastructure is lack of upkeep/age/shoddy craftsmanship. It isn't like every time you drive your Ford F350 over it you knock down the the lifespan of the bridge by an hour.

Heavy loads can cause an already failing bridge to collapse, but I doubt the extra 2 tons on this escalade make the difference
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78403 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:10 pm to
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I think about all those reports of crumbling bridges and overpasses. They keep citing those and fussing about all the evil “giant trucks” but nobody mentions EVs


Yeah, 80,000lbs is not much difference from 8,000lbs.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18061 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:11 pm to
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Heavy loads can cause an already failing bridge to collapse,

My company broke the Arcadia I20 overpass a few years ago. Wasn’t with an EV.
Posted by Death Before Disco
Member since Dec 2009
6459 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:13 pm to
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I don't think the crumbling bridges are due to the weight of passenger vehicles.
I’m talking about the cumulative effect of an increase in the average weight of all vehicles on the road as increasingly heavier cars are on them.

Let’s say the current. average passenger car weights 3500 lbs. and 10,000 cars cross a bridge per day. If the average weight of cars increases to 5000 lbs, the daily load on that bridge is significantly higher, before you even begin to factor in freight trucks.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78403 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:21 pm to
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Let’s say the current. average passenger car weights 3500 lbs. and 10,000 cars cross a bridge per day. If the average weight of cars increases to 5000 lbs, the daily load on that bridge is significantly higher, before you even begin to factor in freight trucks.


Not really how it works.

Your premise isn't wrong, but overstated. Overloaded vehicles can damage roads or infrastructure. But loads under the design would be marginal.

Think of a chair with a 250lb weight limit. A 40lb child sitting in it wouldn't wear it out any sooner than a 100lb adult.
Posted by Death Before Disco
Member since Dec 2009
6459 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:43 pm to
You make a good point, I may be overstating the effects.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15277 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:45 pm to
Good God my first house cost less than that. frick this gay earth.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:48 pm to
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Think of a chair with a 250lb weight limit. A 40lb child sitting in it wouldn't wear it out any sooner than a 100lb adult

Shouldn't the child and adult be reversed in this scenario just for clarification? Haha would be really weird if the 40 lb child wore out the chair faster than the heavier adult.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78403 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 1:53 pm to
Ha, yeah I guess that would be correct.

Being a child the little bastard would have the chair broken before a 300lb adult.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 2:10 pm to
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I’d bet a significant part of that price is to cover the cost of the massive battery that is required to make such a massive vehicle go 450 miles on a charge.

Curb weight has to be on par with a Peterbuilt.
Posted by Talkum Poudar
Member since Jul 2023
133 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 2:13 pm to
Hopefully tons of EV lovers overextend and buy these ruining their Financials.

Makes the rest of us increasingly better off than them.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 2:38 pm to
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Hopefully tons of EV lovers overextend and buy these ruining their Financials.


If you are buying a $175k escalade I don't think you are worried about how much it costs haha.

You are severely underestimating how little money this is to a large population of folks. And if it breaks down, they won't give a shite.

This will actually be a noticeable difference between those driving a regular escalade and the EV one. One is 'we got money', the other is "we got frick you money"

Haha
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18061 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 3:55 pm to
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Makes the rest of us increasingly better off than them.

Just trying to offset the carbon footprint of my yachts baw. Why you hatin?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 4:06 pm to
It looks just different enough from the regular Escalade for people to notice.. Actors and NFL players will buy these without batting an eye.

And like the regular Escalade…. it’s probably far better than anything coming out of Germany from a reliability and UI standpoint. BMW and Mercedes have completely shite the bed in that area for a while now.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139433 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 4:48 pm to
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Peterbuilt

Peterbilt
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25190 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 4:56 pm to
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You are severely underestimating how little money this is to a large population of folks. And if it breaks down, they won't give a shite.


any car north of $100K is a meaningful amount of money to almost the entire population. The top 1% would still find this car expensive.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5440 posts
Posted on 8/12/23 at 4:59 pm to
[img]Cadillac apparently isn’t THAT committed to going full EV just yet.[/img]

Because we all know that the Escalade's success is based on the fact it is the biggest Suburban-based lux truck. If they made an Escalade on the Traverse platform nobody would give a rip. Isn't that the XT5/6 or something? See, nobody cares.
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