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re: CA Police Forced To Release Video Showing Shooting Of Two Unarmed Men (NSFW)
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:12 am to CptRusty
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:12 am to CptRusty
quote:You gave him less than 1% of the blame for the outcome of the situation. If he had complied I would argue that there is less than a 5% chance that the outcome is the same, and that is on the high end.
I'm really not sure how you have misconstrued my assignment of blame into some statistical analysis of a hypothetical situation. I'll just say that, no, that's not what I intended to convey. If that's how you understood it, then perhaps my wording was incorrect.
quote:In a normal situation with cops approaching three teens with a bike I agree. That was not the situation here. The cops were called out for a possible armed robbery, thus it was assumed that they were armed. When you are displaying behavior such as: sudden movements, pacing, and mumbling, and are considered armed, yes that is a perceived threat. This is the fault of the dispatcher, like I said previously these cops probably don't show up if the call out is for a stolen bike.
The thing which absolves the victim of blame is the fact that he did nothing which threatened the officers lives, or that could even be construed as such by a reasonable person
quote:Well, yea... if a civilian did this it would be considered a hostage situation with fatalities.
I'll put it to you this way, if the people on camera had been regular civilians, they'd be in jail by now, and rightfully so.
You are viewing this situation with knowledge of what is happening. The cops knowledge was skewed due to the nature of the call out which had an elevated threat level. This changes the entire nature of their approach.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:13 am to TigerHam85
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It's the Internet, it works however I want it to work.
At least now you recognize your cognitive deficiency. We're making progress.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:14 am to TigerHam85
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Kids dead cause he didn't listen.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:19 am to AwesomeSauce
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You gave him less than 1% of the blame for the outcome of the situation.
And I stand by this.
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it was assumed that they were armed.
arse u me
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sudden movements
I must have missed this.
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that is a perceived threat.
You're honestly telling me that the behavior displayed in the video was threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force?
I don't care what the dispatcher told these guys, they have a responsibility to assess the situation on their own once they arrive. As a society we empower these people to a great degree, and that empowerment should come with an equal amount of responsibility and accountability. What people are upset about, is that it is frequently shown that the latter two are very often left out.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:23 am to Plankton
This is murder, imo.
Fire these cops at a minimum. Kicking them up is what should happen.
Fire these cops at a minimum. Kicking them up is what should happen.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:25 am to bayourougebengal
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This frickin society my kids are growing up in
Low crime rates
Low murder rates
Many diseases cured or vaccinated against
Information and education freely available in 10 seconds
What a terrible time to be alive
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:26 am to SG_Geaux
Did the cops not instruct those guys, with loud loud words and very demonstrative forceful hand signals, to "GET DOWN ON THE GROUND NOW!!"?
Why did they slow-walk up to them like that instead of placing the cruiser between them?
Seems like the cops failed to control the situation for some reason and put themselves in a position where if he did have a gun he might have been able to use it on them.
If they thought they were dealing with armed robbers, they should have acted like it, and if they didn't think they were armed robbers, they shouldn't have walked up with guns pointed in their face.
Why did they slow-walk up to them like that instead of placing the cruiser between them?
Seems like the cops failed to control the situation for some reason and put themselves in a position where if he did have a gun he might have been able to use it on them.
If they thought they were dealing with armed robbers, they should have acted like it, and if they didn't think they were armed robbers, they shouldn't have walked up with guns pointed in their face.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:29 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Always find it interesting how cops always try to be badasses even if it means killing someone
"I felt threatned though!!"
right...
"I felt threatned though!!"
right...
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:32 am to LSUTANGERINE
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So the city shelled out 4.7 mil because it was clearly the victim's fault?
I think we are all over looking something here. Garners family got almost 6 million. He was older and had an extensive record.
Mexican lives don't matter
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:39 am to jimithing11
Beyond the video, another reason why it's obvious that the police were very wrong in this situation, is the lengths that Gardenia, CA went to prevent this video's release. It took a federal judge to force them to release it. The city felt that the settlement should have prevented the video's release.
You don't settle for 4.7 mil, unless you know you've done wrong. They settled to try to bury this, not because it was a cheaper option And these pussy arse cops are still out patrolling.
LA Times article
This song just keeps more relevant
You don't settle for 4.7 mil, unless you know you've done wrong. They settled to try to bury this, not because it was a cheaper option And these pussy arse cops are still out patrolling.
LA Times article
This song just keeps more relevant
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:40 am to CCTider
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You don't settle for 4.7 mil, unless you know you've done wrong.
Not to mention from what I understand, police lawsuits are extremely, extremely tough to win.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:42 am to CptRusty
quote:With knowledge of what is actually occurring, NO. I would think he was high. If I was informed he was possibly armed, yes.
You're honestly telling me that the behavior displayed in the video was threatening enough to justify the use of deadly force?
quote:I agree. I believe that the majority of the blame falls on the dispatcher. Cops do not approach armed robbery and stolen bike suspects the same way. 90+% of the blame is squarely on the head of the dispatcher.
And I stand by this.
quote:I don't know if this is a troll attempt or not?! In a span of 10 seconds or less he makes three moves from above his head to around his waist.
I must have missed this.
quote:FIFY. In a perfect world the ratio is 0%. Last year alone there were 400 officer involved shootings when the suspect did not have a firearm in over 2 million interactions between police and civilians in detainment situations. That is less than 1%. I agree that is still too many, but you cannot honestly believe that this is some epidemic and that police just go around shooting people just because.
What people are upset about, is that it is perceived that the latter two are very often left out.
I will state once again that I do not absolve the responding officers of any blame. There approach could have been better, but ultimately if the teen had simply complied he would be alive.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:42 am to TheOcean
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Not to mention from what I understand, police lawsuits are extremely, extremely tough to win
even when they aren't in the wrong...that is the problem in this country.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:56 am to AwesomeSauce
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I don't know if this is a troll attempt or not?! In a span of 10 seconds or less he makes three moves from above his head to around his waist.
He moves his hands, yes. None of those movements I would characterize as "sudden". I realize this is a bit of armchair QBing, so we'll just agree to disagree here.
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over 2 million interactions between police and civilians in detainment situations.
So anytime someone is arrested, we have to applaud the police for not shooting them?
In the words of Chris Rock, "waddaya want, a COOKIE?!"
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but you cannot honestly believe that this is some epidemic and that police just go around shooting people just because.
No of course not. The point I was making is that it is far too common that we hear about such egregious frick ups by the police getting covered up and no one being held responsible for their actions.
Responsibility and Accountability ....neither of these two things were displayed here and that is the problem.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:18 am to CptRusty
quote:This was in response to your verbiage, which portrayed that 0.2% of the time is "frequent".
So anytime someone is arrested, we have to applaud the police for not shooting them?
In the words of Chris Rock, "waddaya want, a COOKIE?!"
I do not disagree that the cops should be punished for what transpired, including termination. For those calling this murder and calling for their heads, that is completely asinine, then again I am asking the OT to be empathetic and place oneself in another's situation and mindset.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:18 am to Mizzoufan26
I'm sure this has been posted numerous times. But the smarter thing to have done in that situation would have been to taste them instead of drawing guns. I think if there is a common theme in most of these highly publicized police shootings it is the fact that the police too quickly reach for their gun instead of something way less deadly like a taser. This didn't seem like a gun-drawing situation to me.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:19 am to CalLSU
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would have been to taste them
I found this to be hilarious
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:21 am to CalLSU
quote:This would entirely change the perception of police in this country.
to taste them instead of drawing guns
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:50 am to TheOcean
i think he's onto something. Blowing the perps would surely de-escalate the situation!
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