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re: CA Police Forced To Release Video Showing Shooting Of Two Unarmed Men (NSFW)
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:54 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:54 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I always give the cops the benefit of the doubt but this was straight up murder and that's at least a manslaughter charge right there.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 10:59 am to CalLSU
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But the smarter thing to have done in that situation would have been to taste them instead of drawing guns.
There was no reason to taze them, either. They called the police about their friend's stolen bike and were confused/nervous from having guns pointed at them
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:02 am to Asgard Device
What I never got, is why not shoot to wound?
Fire one shot and then check the situation, instead it seems like they always unload.
Fire one shot and then check the situation, instead it seems like they always unload.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:05 am to AwesomeSauce
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This was in response to your verbiage, which portrayed that 0.2% of the time is "frequent".
That would be VERY frequent. Luckily you suck at math and it doesn't happen anywhere near that often.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:05 am to TigerHam85
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The victims actions are the reason he's dead. There is no other way to swing it.
You don't think bullets were the cause of death? Why is it that cops never own up to their mistakes?
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:14 am to lsu480
quote:No it is not "very frequent". Do you comprehend how percentages work? Maybe you struggle with decimal points? If you meant to say "too" frequently I would agree with you, but it is not very frequent.
That would be VERY frequent. Luckily you suck at math and it doesn't happen anywhere near that often.
LSU VERY frequently loses to Louisiana Tech. I mean they are 18-1 against them, but that means they lose 5.5% of the time.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:18 am to AwesomeSauce
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No it is not "very frequent". Do you comprehend how percentages work? Maybe you struggle with decimal points? If you meant to say "too" frequently I would agree with you, but it is not very frequent.
Actually you are the one struggling with the decimal points. According to your math 1 in 500 stops end up with someone getting shot. That would be very frequent!
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:27 am to lsu480
Which is 0.02%, it is too frequent, not very frequent. My numbers are wrong though , the actual number is 400 to 40 million, the 400 number is all officer involved fatalities armed or not . Which is 0.001%, or 1 in 100,000 as you seem to prefer. I still argue that using something that is a decimal point percentile as very frequent is deceptive, i.e. Louisiana Tech has VERY frequently beaten LSU on the football field in their history.
, the actual number is 400 to 40 million, the 400 number is all officer involved fatalities armed or not . Which is 0.001%, or 1 in 100,000 as you seem to prefer. I still argue that using something that is a decimal point percentile as very frequent is deceptive, i.e. Louisiana Tech has VERY frequently beaten LSU on the football field in their history.This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:37 am to forksup
Some of those posts on the first page cannot be serious.
I'm as intolerant of all the anti-police bullshite as any other like-minded southern, conservative male, but that video is insane. I don't care what nationality or color that dude is, there is absolutely zero excuse for that. That's another person's life you're talking about, and those cops should be tried for 2nd degree murder at the very least. When I saw the video from the first angle, the thought crossed my mind that maybe it looked sketchy. When I saw it from the second angle, the dude wasn't even doing anything threatening. He just lowered his arms. For all we know he could've been dropping his hat. I dunno that's crazy. Very sad situation.
eta: just so we're clear, if a cop tells you to keep your hands up, then do it. But to justify this shooting because the guy lowered his arms? That's asinine. Again, this is a human being's life you're talking about here.
The funny thing is that a lot of the people talking about how it's the guy's own fault and blahblah will be the first to talk about constitutional protections and distrust of the government. Do you realize how slippery of a slope it creates to tell yourself that this kind of shite is okay?
I'm as intolerant of all the anti-police bullshite as any other like-minded southern, conservative male, but that video is insane. I don't care what nationality or color that dude is, there is absolutely zero excuse for that. That's another person's life you're talking about, and those cops should be tried for 2nd degree murder at the very least. When I saw the video from the first angle, the thought crossed my mind that maybe it looked sketchy. When I saw it from the second angle, the dude wasn't even doing anything threatening. He just lowered his arms. For all we know he could've been dropping his hat. I dunno that's crazy. Very sad situation.
eta: just so we're clear, if a cop tells you to keep your hands up, then do it. But to justify this shooting because the guy lowered his arms? That's asinine. Again, this is a human being's life you're talking about here.
The funny thing is that a lot of the people talking about how it's the guy's own fault and blahblah will be the first to talk about constitutional protections and distrust of the government. Do you realize how slippery of a slope it creates to tell yourself that this kind of shite is okay?
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:18 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Which is 0.02%, it is too frequent, not very frequent.
I think you're both arguing about two different meanings to the word "frequency".
One is to say how often an event occurs over time.
Another is to say how often an event occurs in a given sampling of other events.
If one in every 500 police interactions with civilians results in a homicide (like the one portrayed in this video) you could say "it occurs infrequently" as 1 in 500 could generally be considered "infrequent".
On the other hand, with the sheer number of arrests made every day, police would be killing almost 100 people per day, in which case you could definitely make the case that it occurs much too frequently.
Aren't words fun?
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:28 pm to CptRusty
quote:I did not take into account the secondary meaning of the word frequent. I did fact check my numbers from a google search to the FBI data and found that roughly once a day a suspect dies at the hands of police on average (this is armed, unarmed, vehicular, etc.) and that once every three days a cop is killed by a suspect on average.
I think you're both arguing about two different meanings to the word "frequency".
quote:I concur using both the definitions of the word.
too frequently.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:51 pm to northshorebamaman
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This is fricking stupid on a few levels. I've traveled a large part of the world. I've never feared being shot for not knowing the local language.
you ever forget to keep your hands up when a couple of local policemen- guns trained on you- were shouting at you?
yeah, I didnt think so.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:52 pm to tigerinthebueche
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you ever forget to keep your hands up when a couple of local policemen- guns trained on you- were shouting at you?
Never came close to looking like he was going for a weapon. The cop shot because he could, not because it was necessary.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Never came close to looking like he was going for a weapon. The cop shot because he could, not because it was necessary.
I agree it looks bad on the video. But you still have to be one stupid sonofabitch to lower your hands when a cop or cops have their guns drawn on you. Like fumbling around under your seat when you get pulled over. Sometimes the individual has to help himself and not rely on the other guy to not do the wrong thing.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:35 pm to lsu480
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:37 pm to TigerHam85
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Not listening to what the law enforcement officer is telling you to do results in consequences. Unfortunately in this instance it was death.
Had he listened, he'd be alive.
What about his friend? He kept his hands up and was also shot. Justified collateral damage?
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:50 pm to tigerinthebueche
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you ever forget to keep your hands up when a couple of local policemen- guns trained on you- were shouting at you?
yeah, I didnt think so.
To be honest, the only interaction I've had with foreign police was being robbed by Mexican cops. Luckily, they spoke English.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:53 pm to TigerHam85
quote:"PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR HEAD!"
Sorry, tangerbro. He should have left his hands in the air and he'd be alive today
You turn around to see what's going on, and get shot to hell.
Cop asked you bro. Cops can't take the chance when a suspect suddenly turns at them like that. You shouldn't have turned.
I know that situation isn't the same as the video, but the decision to shoot would be pretty comparable. Frustrated hand gestures get people shot to pieces now? That's sickening.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 3:00 pm to tigerinthebueche
quote:What the frick man? One guy got shot and kept his hands up. What the frick is he supposed to do? Now you can't even stand next to your friends because you don't know what they'll do to get the whole group murdered. Think you could ask the cop if you can walk out of the line of fire? Yeah that'll work. "Hey I notice you have a gun on me and my buddies. I'm gonna keep my hands up but I don't trust them, and I they move their hands it's perfectly fine for you to kill them and I don't wanna be shot too, so can I move?"
I agree it looks bad on the video. But you still have to be one stupid sonofabitch to lower your hands when a cop or cops have their guns drawn on you. Like fumbling around under your seat when you get pulled over. Sometimes the individual has to help himself and not rely on the other guy to not do the wrong thing.
Would you just move without asking? Yeah, that won't get you shot or anything.
People defending these cops either aren't thinking, or are animals.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 3:10 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Frustrated hand gestures get people shot
I'm telling ya, next will be a guy sneezing and cops unloading because they take a sneeze as being threatening.
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