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re: Bullet Proof Coffee - OT's Thoughts?

Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by Jizzamo311
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:46 pm to
LSU77

My fasting period is from 8pm - 1pm (Break my fast postworkout) I usually have coffee upon waking around 7 am...1 cup with a dash of fat free half & half and 2 stevia packets.

I assume the Bulletproof coffee will def break the fast correct?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:48 pm to
because mct oil is processed by the body much much faster giving energy where cream is a much longer carbon chain. Also mct oil has shown fat burning properties.

grass fed butter is one of the best fats for you also, nutrition wise. Much much better than generic cream.

Now local sourced unpasteurized cream from grass fed cows would be amazing.

Also the butter helps create the frothy blend, cream doesn't do that.
Posted by Lake Vegas Tiger
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:50 pm to
not this shite again
Posted by dat yat
Chef Pass
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:56 pm to
I was doing the butter and coconut oil in my coffee for a while; it helped wean me off of sugar in my coffee.
I switched to a splash of cream one day when I was out of butter and stuck with that.

IF, with only coffee until lunchtime, has helped me drop a few pounds, but I think bulletproof coffee is a scam.
Posted by WavinWilly
Wavin Away in Sharlo
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:06 pm to
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If you're looking to add fat to coffee why wouldn't you just use cream like a normal person?



Fat makes up about 70% of my daily calories. The "fat bombs" I posted earlier make it much easier to get to the 160-180g of fat a day I need, without adding too many carbs or even protein.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 4:07 pm to
yes anything above 30 cals is breaking the fast, but it gets a little tricky when it comes to the mct oils and even the butter because of the way it is processed. Technically you are out of the fast but it does not cause and insulin response.

There are some benefits though to it over regular coffee like forcing yourself into keto quickly, even if you have carbs on workout days. it also suppresses hunger because of the calories.

so short is yes it breaks the fast, but you essentially stay in the fasted state.


Honestly though the great thing about IF is the ability to eat huge meals, this takes away from that so I do not do it unless I am only eating eod on my workout days.

so lets say I workout in the afternoon M/W/F

I would only consume bulletproof coffee on T/T/Sun and a couple of fat bombs at night.Then on lifting days have two bullet proof coffees and one large meal of a fatty meat and lots of veggies and maybe a small potato or two. SO you stay in a big big deficit and are slightly dipping into ketosis but still have enough energy to lift.

After 2 weeks of this I would have a refeed saturday afternoon every week from then on.

Now I would not recommend this to 99.9% of people. This is an insanely hard plan and is nothing but a crash diet. It is very similar to the fat fast. You would keep total calories to around 1000 to 1200 on non training days, prolly 1800 for most on training days.

Again this is a crash diet approach similar to the bulletproof rapid fat loss plan and I do not recommend it to normal people.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 8:48 pm to
There is no way this type of diet is sustainable or healthy for you long term.

A balanced, organic, whole food diet with as little animal protein/fat as possible is by far the most healthy way to eat.
Posted by Parallax
Member since Feb 2016
1459 posts
Posted on 3/22/16 at 9:02 pm to
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Do you have to go #2 even more than regular coffee?
Anyone care to share their personal experience regarding this?
Posted by CroakaBait
Gulf Coast of the Land Mass
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 9:23 pm to
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Anyone care to share their personal experience regarding this?

Thanks for asking what I was thinking, too. Seems like a potent mix to be chugging down.
Posted by retired trucker
midwest
Member since Feb 2015
5093 posts
Posted on 3/22/16 at 9:39 pm to
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Just take Adderall to be able to cope like the majority of OT.


I cope rather well without prescription meds, thankyou very much...
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 9:40 pm to
quote:

There is no way this type of diet is sustainable or healthy for you long term.

A balanced, organic, whole food diet with as little animal protein/fat as possible is by far the most healthy way to eat.



I just said it wasn't sustainable, atleast for me but plenty of people do every other day fasting. And its way way healthier then a low fat diet. And doing bulletproof intermittent fasting with one large meal a day is one of the healthiest diets you can do.

Btw animal fat is great for you, despite what you were told. Especially fat from locally sourced free range animals like grass fed beef. In fact grass fed beef and butter are two of the healthiest foods on the planet.

And fasting for long periods is in fact one of the healthiest things you can do and how we are biologically programmed.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 3/22/16 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

A balanced, organic, whole food diet with as little animal protein/fat as possible is by far the most healthy way to eat.


Let's break this down

Organic whole food - I agree with the food quality sentiment
As little animal protein/fat - Conventional grain fed animals/fat and omega 6 rich oils = yes /bad
Grass fed animals /fats with omega 3 profile = good

The name of the longevity and quality of life game is to:

-maximize / optimize glucose partitioning
-practice relative caloric restriction
-preserve healthy skeletal muscle mass (the metabolic site optimizing glucose partitioning) while not overpromoting IGF-1 pathway (tumorigenic)
-optimizing the gut microbiome

A diet high in fat with moderate protein and relative carbohydrate restriction accomplishes the goals above while maintaining a robust quality of life. Strong hormonal satiety is invoked by a diet high in fat/protein. This allows for interval episodes of fasting (intermittent fasting) and less meals per day (if you believe in the limiting exposures to food additives sort of logic). Most would argue that this is the way the human species evolved to eat and manage food scarcity. In modern times it promotes compliance with a dietary lifestyle change.

Metrics such as grip strength, waist to hip ratio <0.9, and wether you can get up from a chair or the ground without assistance become very simple / practical predictors of longevity. Muscle preservation /strength set the tone for this resilience.


The goals above are very difficult if not impossible to accomplish on a vegan and /or protein restricted diet.

A to Z study from Stanford researcher who is a vegan...

quote:

Over 300 free-living pre-menopausal, overweight women were randomly assigned to follow either the Atkins (extremely low carbohydrate), Zone (low-carbohydrate, high protein), Ornish (very low fat), or USDA/Food LEARN (high carbohydrate/moderate-low fat) diet for 1 year. At the completion of the study, the women assigned to follow the Atkins diet lost more weight (~10 pounds average weight lost in 1 year) and also experienced metabolic effects that were comparable with or more beneficial than the other participants.


These results were "surprising" to him and likely you
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 9:58 pm
Posted by retired trucker
midwest
Member since Feb 2015
5093 posts
Posted on 3/22/16 at 9:52 pm to
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Have you never dipped toast with butter in your coffee? STALE FRENCH BREAD WITH BUTTER?


nope

I'd likely warm it in my toaster oven

besides, I don't sugar my regular/daily coffee

I will have sugared espresso on occasion

I rarely have any coffee in the warmer months, and don't get a headache
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38700 posts
Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:06 pm to
Appreciate the detailed response. I used to post things like thatbut sadly realized that most couldn't understand or didnt want to understand anyways.

Hopefully he takes time to research some and actually read what you wrote.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:11 pm to
Ill informed post. Smarten up son.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8319 posts
Posted on 3/23/16 at 6:40 am to
Thank you for the detailed response. You have certainly made me at least less skeptical and I look forward into researching this more.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:05 am to


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I look forward into researching this more



Dr Peter Attia is a good source to explore. He really applies a science minded, no bullshite perspective on things (his background prior to being an MD was math/engineering...)

https://chriskresser.com/the-keys-to-longevity-with-peter-attia/

Here is a podcast where Attia (MD) is interviewed by a naturopathic practitioner. Very good discussion on health and longevity

Attia's blog, https://eatingacademy.com is a great source for nutrition (very detailed stuff here)

Also follow the work of Dom D’Agostino. His work is mainly with fat based diets (ketogenic diets). See applications below.

LINK

quote:


Dr. Dominic “Dom” D’Agostino (@DominicDAgosti2) is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida Morsani College of Medicine, and a Senior Research Scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC).

The primary focus of Dom’s laboratory is developing and testing metabolic therapies, including ketogenic diets, ketone esters and ketone supplements to induce nutritional/therapeutic ketosis. D’Agostino’s laboratory uses in vivo and in vitro techniques to understand the physiological, cellular and molecular mechanism of metabolic therapies and nutritional strategies for peak performance and resilience. His research is supported by the Office of Naval Research (ONR), Department of Defense (DoD), private organizations and foundations.



The books "Why we get fat" and "Good Calories/Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes are also a good reads. Taubes is a physicist and investigative journalist. Interesting perspective on the science, politics and history of nutritional recommendations....

Stay curious
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:18 am
Posted by retired trucker
midwest
Member since Feb 2015
5093 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:11 am to
I read the original SMART DRUGS book ,by morgenthaler

folks who like this mental boost from the coffee may also be interested in nootropics at powder city
all legit/legal

choline and aniracetam among other offerings for those seeking to clear the fog at times

LINK
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:13 am
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