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re: Buckhead pushing to split off from the declining city of Atlanta
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:18 am to MisslePig
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:18 am to MisslePig
quote:Unicroprsted-ism will be the ruin of this country.
SS was unicroprsted for a long time...
Arkansans: Rewriting the Distasteful Narrative Every Day
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:19 am to USMEagles
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Incorporation absolutely gutted that city.
Decades of shitty politics gutted that city.
The creation of places like Clayton was just a symptom of that.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:21 am to goofball
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Decades of shitty politics gutted that city.
OK, so we can try to address that by carving out little enclaves of white Republicans, or we can expand the "City of" boundaries and let white Republicans vote in the elections that really matter, like the Atlanta mayoral election. Those elections might turn out better if people from Milton, Dunwoody, Cumming, etc. were voting in them.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:22 am to NoBoDawg
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Attempting to compare St. George to Buckhead is hilarious
Peckerwoody might be a better comparison, but even so St. George would seem to fall a little short.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:23 am to goofball
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The creation of places like Clayton was just a symptom of that.
Clayton was incorporated in 1913.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:24 am to goofball
Lakeview (New Orleans) should consider the same
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:28 am to USMEagles
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This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:28 am to USMEagles
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OK, so we can try to address that by carving out little enclaves of white Republicans
Is that what this is about? You are mad because white middle class people are looking out for their own best interest just like everyone else?
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or we can expand the "City of" boundaries and let white Republicans vote in the elections that really matter, like the Atlanta mayoral election. Those elections might turn out better if people from Milton, Dunwoody, Cumming, etc. were voting in them.
It's been made very clear that places like Atlanta and St. Louis don't give a shite about those voters. They just want their money.
Even if those towns would have attempted to annex the incorporated communities that were built beyond their borders....no homeowner in their right mind would vote to be annexed by St. Louis as an alternative to establishing their own government. Especially in the height of St Louis's decline in the 1970s and 1980s.
The problem here is that the leadership in cities like St. Louis, New Orleans, Detroit, Atlanta, and Baton Rouge completely forget that private capital is mobile and isn't tied to a city or government. You can't wall people off and force them to stay. Expand your borders without fixing your own government and you'll just be chasing more and more tax dollars even farther away.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:29 am to USMEagles
quote:anything diluting black voting strength is prohibited by the VRA
we can expand the "City of" boundaries and let white Republicans vote in the elections that really matter, like the Atlanta mayoral election
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:30 am to concrete_tiger
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My old Alpharetta address at one place is now Johns Creek and the house I live in today was Alpharetta, but is now Milton.
That doesn't mean that much. All of the people currently in what should be St. George have Baton Rouge addresses. I don't live in the Knoxville city limits but still list Knoxville as my address.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:30 am to Limitlesstigers
Pretty sure Sandy Springs did the same a few years ago or so.
Edit: Guess I was wrong about Sandy Springs but I swear some other ATL area community broke off from the city a few of several years ago. I believe it was wherever Herman Cain lived and he was a big proponent of the split.
Edit: Guess I was wrong about Sandy Springs but I swear some other ATL area community broke off from the city a few of several years ago. I believe it was wherever Herman Cain lived and he was a big proponent of the split.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:30 am to USMEagles
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OK, so we can try to address that by carving out little enclaves of white Republicans, or we can expand the "City of" boundaries and let white Republicans vote in the elections that really matter, like the Atlanta mayoral election. Those elections might turn out better if people from Milton, Dunwoody, Cumming, etc. were voting in them.
They might, agreed
At the same time, your taxes would still be pouring into shite areas and there is not really anything you can do to fix them. Even if you (people who aren't corrupt and take innovative approaches to education, etc.) govern those areas, you're still going to be left propping up terrible infrastructure, bad schools, etc. all while people in those areas hate you, call you racist and demand you give them your money and also give them the ability to dictate how it's spent.
It's lose-lose.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:30 am to USMEagles
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OK, so we can try to address that by carving out little enclaves of white Republicans
Meh, it's more about classism with a sprinkle of racism thrown in. And both of those come from people that vote for both parties.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:31 am to SlidellCajun
Nah, it’s in JP. JPD don’t frick around.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:32 am to goofball
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The problem here is that the leadership in cities like St. Louis, New Orleans, Detroit, Atlanta, and Baton Rouge completely forget that private capital is mobile and isn't tied to a city or government. You can't wall people off and force them to stay. Expand your borders without fixing your own government and you'll just be chasing more and more tax dollars even farther away.
The annexation that brought in Buckhead (along with the west and southwest parts of Atlanta) took place in 1951, long before the city's demographics changed:
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:32 am to Vote4MikeAck504
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Pretty sure Sandy Springs did the same a few years ago or so.
It was formerly unincorporated.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:33 am to dewster
It’s all about dem white rayciss’ money. Reparations.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:34 am to The Spleen
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Meh, it's more about classism with a sprinkle of racism thrown in. And both of those come from people that vote for both parties.
It's about self-determination and getting good return on your investment.
You'd be really hard pressed to find white residents of Buckhead or Sandy Springs who are like "eww, I don't want black people anywhere around me." We live and work and play with black people. There are no truly white enclaves in Atlanta. Certainly not somewhere like Sandy Springs, where there are big Indian, Persian, black and hispanic populations working and/or living here.
It's amazing no one ever discusses the racial element of almost all-black portions of Atlanta demanding a for-us-by-us governance...while also demanding that white-majority areas pay for said governance.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:35 am to USMEagles
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or we can expand the "City of" boundaries and let white Republicans vote in the elections that really matter, like the Atlanta mayoral election.
Memphis tried this in the 1980s and 1990s. It was a fricking disaster. Large swaths of middle class suburban neighborhoods turned into blighted communities in just a few short years as people just moved to suburbs that were out of Memphis's reach. Many just gave up on the whole metro and moved to Nashville.
And Tennessee has some funky laws about cities being able to annex their predetermined urban growth boundaries without the people living there being able to vote on it.
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