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re: Bryan Adams cancels Mississippi show to protest new anti-LGBT law
Posted on 4/11/16 at 11:40 am to roadGator
Posted on 4/11/16 at 11:40 am to roadGator
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Prove it. Show me the outrage from gay MS citizens that have been denied services because they were gay and couldn't get those services elsewhere.
How does showing you an outraged MS citizen prove they won/lost a fight. It has no bearing on our conversation.
Not only that but there is a reason this whole gay wedding cake thing us the prime example...because it happened. It doesn't have to be in MS for you to be completely wrong.
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Posted on 4/11/16 at 11:43 am to taylork37
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The market simply doesn't take care of the real problem. The real problem isn't "who is going to bake a cake for gay people." The real problem is that people have been told it is OK to act like we are still in the 1960s.
No, The real problem is do I have freedom of religion? Why does your "gay rights" trump my religious freedom? If my religion does not allow me to marry same sex couples why should I be forced to?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 11:45 am to taylork37
I received an alert from ticketmaster last month offering tickets at 2 for 1 for this show. He may be protesting, but the show may have been destined to be canceled due to low ticket sales anyway.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 11:47 am to OleSkuleTgr
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No, The real problem is do I have freedom of religion? Why does your "gay rights" trump my religious freedom? If my religion does not allow me to marry same sex couples why should I be forced to?
Because you chose to follow your shitty religion based on a book that tells us the Earth was created a few thousands years ago.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/11/16 at 11:49 am to JBeam
Welcome to the deep south, where ignorance begets ignorance.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 11:58 am to taylork37
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Because you chose to follow your shitty religion based on a book that tells us the Earth was created a few thousands years ago.
Nevertheless, even if you dont like my religion, do I still have 1st amendment right or not? Are you advocating abolishing the first amendment?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:05 pm to OleSkuleTgr
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No, The real problem is do I have freedom of religion?
Negative. The real question is: can you use your religion to oppress other people?
The version of Islam practiced by ISIS condones slavery. I'm assuming you're not down for that (though on this board, you never know...).
If you would oppose ISIS on slavery, they could turn your arguments right back in your face.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:14 pm to 995webmaster
I guess we differ on the definition of "oppress". I would say that forcing people into slavery is oppression. Not baking them a cake, not so much.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:15 pm to trom83
Well he's a fricking moron bc it doesn't deny anyone a civil right. It denies gays the ability to sue business owners who don't want to serve them in whatever capacity they choose to. Not an anti gay law. People are dumb as shite man. Religious freedom law. Who walks into a hardware store and declares to the entire store. Hey I'm gay. Like how would anyone know anyway. The outrage is baffling tbh
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:19 pm to trom83
He's probably cancelling for other reasons. It's "African American spring break" this week on the coast.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:19 pm to OleSkuleTgr
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Nevertheless, even if you dont like my religion, do I still have 1st amendment right or not? Are you advocating abolishing the first amendment?
I would love to take out the section of the 1st amendment that allows you discriminate and be protected for it.
Maybe even put an asterik on it for people like you.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:20 pm to OleSkuleTgr
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I guess we differ on the definition of "oppress". I would say that forcing people into slavery is oppression. Not baking them a cake, not so much
Another extreme example ehh?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:23 pm to OleSkuleTgr
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I guess we differ on the definition of "oppress".
Fair enough, but how and where do you draw a line? How much of your religion are you allowed to force on me before I'm being oppressed?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:36 pm to taylork37
This issue doesn't even have to get to religious freedom. It begins and ends with the fact that if I own my own business I should be able to provide a product or service to whoever the frick I want, and at the same time deny service to whoever the frick I want for whatever reason I want.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:46 pm to taylork37
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religion based on a book that tells us the Earth was created a few thousands years ago.
You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you? The Bible says nothing of the such.
ETA: downvote? Provide a link...
I'll even give you a searchable tool LINK
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 4/11/16 at 12:52 pm to 995webmaster
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Fair enough, but how and where do you draw a line? How much of your religion are you allowed to force on me before I'm being oppressed? Back to top
I would say that the US Constitution should be the line. If by not serving somebody I am actually denying them one of their Constitutional Rights then I should be forced to comply.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:12 pm to taylork37
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How?
Because it refuses to accept the fact that people see the world in different ways. Some people choose to view things in a more open-minded way while others close themselves off to only viewing things in the construct of their personal belief system. People are too diverse to dictate things in a one size fits all manner. This is the exact reason why the government seeks to protect minority groups.
Two separate opinions can be reached on a subject that is both just and moral, but for vastly different reasons. The problem with the current status of this country is that people are no longer willing to respect other people's opinions. Instead of trying to see something from another person's perspective, we simply attack and vilify them for their opinion or belief. Using labels like bigots or saying that these people "hate" a specific group. Opposition does not signify hate, but yet people are quick to throw the term around.
The bashing and fear mongering are sad and simple-minded, and it is done equally by people from every end of the political spectrum. Rational discussion is far too often abandoned, and we are left with watered down black or white choices on complex issues.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:23 pm to Bmath
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Because it refuses to accept the fact that people see the world in different ways. Some people choose to view things in a more open-minded way while others close themselves off to only viewing things in the construct of their personal belief system. People are too diverse to dictate things in a one size fits all manner. This is the exact reason why the government seeks to protect minority groups. Two separate opinions can be reached on a subject that is both just and moral, but for vastly different reasons. The problem with the current status of this country is that people are no longer willing to respect other people's opinions. Instead of trying to see something from another person's perspective, we simply attack and vilify them for their opinion or belief. Using labels like bigots or saying that these people "hate" a specific group. Opposition does not signify hate, but yet people are quick to throw the term around. The bashing and fear mongering are sad and simple-minded, and it is done equally by people from every end of the political spectrum. Rational discussion is far too often abandoned, and we are left with watered down black or white choices on complex issues.
Have an upvote!
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:42 pm to trom83
why don't all these people just shut the frick up and sing?
Posted on 4/11/16 at 1:43 pm to MorbidTheClown
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why don't all these people just shut the frick up and sing?
It's Bono's fault. Now they all have to stand for something.
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