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re: Brother's Food Mart in Kenner refused to serve Border Patrol agents, ETA: Update Page 3
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:31 am to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:31 am to ThuperThumpin
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we cant even get a handle on the data showing what they contribute vs what they cost.
The benefits economically or culturally are going to be impossible to quantify. Studies can make claims but the subject has too many variables to feel confident in the findings.
For me, it comes down to they have entered the country illegally and are illegal. We haven't vetted them. They should not be rewarded by being allowed to stay. Go back to where to where you can and apply for a work visa or citizenship.
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:34 am to ThuperThumpin
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CATO, a traditionally conservative one found that ilegals contribute 300 billion in taxes more than they take.
Cato's position may or may not have merit on this
But observers of this comment should know that Cato is a libertarian organization that is any practical sense supportive of open-borders.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:38 am to Turnblad85
We spend so much time on methods and particulars, when the real (if unlikely) solution is changing how people think about the United States.
For starters, we're a people, a distinct culture, a distinct place.
We're not merely an economic zone.
If 50% of the country strongly believed and internalized this concept - which is, I think objectively - wholesome and healthy, immigration debates would end overnight.
For starters, we're a people, a distinct culture, a distinct place.
We're not merely an economic zone.
If 50% of the country strongly believed and internalized this concept - which is, I think objectively - wholesome and healthy, immigration debates would end overnight.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:39 am to c on z
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Protected classes
Should be unconstitutional.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:50 am to Turnblad85
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For me, it comes down to they have entered the country illegally and are illegal. We haven't vetted them. They should not be rewarded by being allowed to stay. Go back to where to where you can and apply for a work visa or citizenship.
If that were the case, they wouldn't be cancelling naturalization ceremonies as they're literally waiting in line to take their oath. The government is within their right to do so, but it's a shitty move for people who have done everything the right way. They've spent tons of money, passed civics test, and are waiting to pledge allegiance to our country, then you pull the rug and say "oh yeah your home country is dangerous so you might not get citizenship after all."
If these people have been properly vetted as individuals and they come back clean, their country of origin shouldn't matter.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 10:59 am to Ingeniero
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Ingeniero
you people are miserable. no solutions. just whine about anything being done about anything.
useless
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:01 am to Turnblad85
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you people are miserable. no solutions. just whine about anything being done about anything.
useless
You're the one with no solution
I gave you an example of people doing everything the right way and still getting boned and your response is "QUIT YER WHININ'!"
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:03 am to Pettifogger
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We spend so much time on methods and particulars, when the real (if unlikely) solution is changing how people think about the United States.
For starters, we're a people, a distinct culture, a distinct place.
We're not merely an economic zone.
If 50% of the country strongly believed and internalized this concept - which is, I think objectively - wholesome and healthy, immigration debates would end overnight.
This is actually an interesting topic that dates back to the Articles of Confederation.
The hard part is that there is little to no similarities between someone in NYC and someone in rural south LA. The cultural identity that existed in America, romanticized nostalgically or not, doesn't exist in 2025. The beginning of the end started with Vietnam, and formally ended in 2020.
Culturally there was a push back to those big 3 C values: Conservative, Christian, Capitalist for 40 years. People like Charlie Kirk did tremendous work bringing those values to Gen Z, and even people like Rogan indirectly pushes it at a minimum by platforming people who share those values that get left out of the liberal MSM circle jerk to try to fight against that push back, but it takes time to take hold. Evidence of Kirk's work was the 2024 election. All hope isn't lost, but it's fighting from behind.
Tied to immigration, if this country has immigration (IMO we should), it should be from countries who share these values. Ironically Latin Americans by and large hold those values, but we currently make it easier for someone from India or China or Pakistan to come to the US than we do from Latin America when India, China, and Pakistan don't value any of the same things we do.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 11:10 am
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:09 am to Turnblad85
Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:11 am to lionward2014
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The difference between Obama and Trump's first term is the method of rounding people up. They focused a lot more on ICE detainers at jails and more targeted work site enforcement,
100% correct. Now the LEFT and the PROGRESSIVES have managed to lobby city and state governments such that jails and local law enforcement are actively refusing to cooperate with I.C.E. See the interview put out by the NOPD Superintendent a couple of weeks ago. So that method is off the table.
Then you have state attorney generals issuing statements and videos telling workplaces to not cooperate as well. So that method is generally off the table as well.
What does that leave? What we have now. There was a news story just this morning from Philadelphia where ICE SRT had to go serve a warrant on a house to arrest a VIOLENT FELON who was in Philly PD jail last week for choking out a police officer and trying to take his gun. That guy was released on bond rather than handed over to ICE because of city policy. So guess what? Rather than a simple hand over at the jail and deportation, they turned it into a tactical operation that risked the lives of the agents, the offender and the people in his neighborhood.
So don't boo hoo us about the methods they are using.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:13 am to pmacneworleans
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Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
That doesn't mean free US citizenship for the entirety of the world, but cool out of context bible quote anyway. That verse means treat them as you would anyone else. I expect native-born people to follow laws, so I expect the same for illegals. No contradiction there.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:14 am to ThuperThumpin
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There is no single, widely accepted consensus on whether undocumented immigrants cost more to the government than they contribute financially.
So the taxes they pay is more than lives lost? Good to know.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:17 am to jbgleason
On another note, NOLA.com is running a front page story that Helena Moreno has "DEMANDED" that ICE operate in New Orleans "without masks, immediately report all detentions to the city and limit arrests solely to violent felons."
What in the actual frick?
What in the actual frick?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:20 am to jbgleason
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On another note, NOLA.com is running a front page story that Helena Moreno has "DEMANDED" that ICE operate in New Orleans "without masks, immediately report all detentions to the city and limit arrests solely to violent felons."
I demand she takes a video of herself shoving a dildo up her arse. Both of these demands come from equal positions of authority
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:20 am to lionward2014
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Also, since when do we support forcing private businesses to serve everyone?
right around 1964 or so.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:21 am to jbgleason
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Now the LEFT and the PROGRESSIVES have managed to lobby city and state governments such that jails and local law enforcement are actively refusing to cooperate with I.C.E.
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There was a news story just this morning from Philadelphia where ICE SRT had to go serve a warrant on a house to arrest a VIOLENT FELON who was in Philly PD jail last week for choking out a police officer and trying to take his gun. That guy was released on bond rather than handed over to ICE because of city policy. So guess what? Rather than a simple hand over at the jail and deportation, they turned it into a tactical operation that risked the lives of the agents, the offender and the people in his neighborhood.
Go read about Chicago and Minneapolis as well if you want your blood to boil. It's insane that places refuse to hand over those people to ICE. If you polled illegals they would be like 75% in favor of those people being handed over too. They left shitholes to escape living next to those people, and they know that crap puts a target on the ones who want to live peacefully.
ICE wants to go full on tactical gear to grab those guys, go for it. That's a long way from some dude in full SWAT gear asking people outside of WalMart where they were born.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:21 am to pmacneworleans
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Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Liberals quote the constitution the same way atheists quote the scripture.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:23 am to Ingeniero
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people doing everything the right way
tbh, I didn't read your link at first because I only have so much bandwidth available for silly people.
But I don't a problem with pausing some people's citizenship if they are potentially not worthy of it. After Biden's 4 years of completely open borders, I have no faith they didn't juice the applications for citizenships. All of them need to be reviewed after that shitshow.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:24 am to lionward2014
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Tied to immigration, if this country has immigration (IMO we should), it should be from countries who share these values. Ironically Latin Americans by and large hold those values, but we currently make it easier for someone from India or China or Pakistan to come to the US than we do from Latin America when India, China, and Pakistan don't value any of the same things we do.
This tracks perfectly with your timeline - surge in non-European immigration for the first time from 1965 or so to the present, peaking in January of this year.
While I think we need strong immigration limitations on border countries, there is plenty of logical cultural-overlap from Mexico to Texas and so forth. It makes plenty of sense for their culture to influence ours and for our populations to blend somewhat.
As you point out, it make zero sense to allow immigration from countries 7500 miles away with zero cultural overlap.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:34 am to 3nOut
Better to be silent and thought as being an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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