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re: Bret Hart responds to Eric Bischoff burying him on 83 Weeks podcast
Posted on 6/8/18 at 4:38 pm to ItNeverRains
Posted on 6/8/18 at 4:38 pm to ItNeverRains
That’s always been the knock on Bret. Great performer, bland personality.
The Hart Foundation angle from 1997 was perfect for him because it gave him personalities to work against while turning an aspect of his real personality (hatred of anti-heroes like Austin) into something usable on screen.
Honky Tonk Man joked that if the Montreal Screwjob hadn’t happened, the documentary on Bret would have been boring as shite because he was a typical bland Canadian.
The Hart Foundation angle from 1997 was perfect for him because it gave him personalities to work against while turning an aspect of his real personality (hatred of anti-heroes like Austin) into something usable on screen.
Honky Tonk Man joked that if the Montreal Screwjob hadn’t happened, the documentary on Bret would have been boring as shite because he was a typical bland Canadian.
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Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:18 pm to Mr Personality
I loved Bret as a kid (I was all WCW until he got me into the WWF) but he might be the biggest mark in the history of the business. The ONLY time they made a profit was when Bischoff was in charge and Nitro and the NWO changed the business.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:21 pm to teke184
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Nash booking himself to beat Goldberg? That’s an issue.
Not at all. Nash and the Wolfpack were way over in 98. I wish DDP had been the one to beat Goldberg but the crowd popped for Nash big time.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:23 pm to ItNeverRains
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Bret Hart was technically one of the best wrestlers of all time. He was flawless in his performance, but relied too heavily on that aspect vs building his character. Whereas a guy like Steve Austin was a bad technical wrestler but his persona was brilliant.
Again, Bret's problem was/is being too much of a mark and thinking that wins and losses actually matter.
Austin was a great technical wrestler before Owen broke his neck.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:37 pm to LooseCannon22282
One thing I’ll add about Bret is that after every single show I attended that he was on, he would always stay and sign autographs for anyone who wanted one - he wouldn’t leave until every person who wanted an autograph got one. Neidhart would sit in the car and sulk while Bret was signing away. Pro wrestlers are, in general, some of the biggest lowlifes there are. I wouldn’t leave my gf alone in the same room with him, but he was good with the fans.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:40 pm to Mr Personality
Bret was a loyal and dedicated guy. He just couldn't adapt to the way wrestling was changing in the late 90s.
Fans wanted action, drama, and people good on the mic. Not technical skills.
Fans wanted action, drama, and people good on the mic. Not technical skills.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:41 pm to the paradigm
Neidhart was probably doing drugs in the car. Guy was a major addict and although he was a grown man who could make his own choices, Anvil certainly didn't help Davey Boy in that regard.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:41 pm to Mr Personality
Bret is tGOAT in ring, I rewatched WM8 not that long ago and his match with Piper was just brilliant and I actually thought he really got hurt at one point only for him to pop up and sneak Roddy. The guy worked me 20+ years later it was awesome.
All of that having been said, a) he was never very good on the mic outside a few highlights so i get why some people think of him as dull and b) takes himself waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously & comes off really bad at times bc of it.
All of that having been said, a) he was never very good on the mic outside a few highlights so i get why some people think of him as dull and b) takes himself waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously & comes off really bad at times bc of it.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:44 pm to Mr Personality
Having worked in this business, I can attest that pro wrestlers are the lowest of the low in regards to quality human beings. There are very few truly “good” guys in this business who never did drugs, committed adultery, etc.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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takes himself waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously & comes off really bad at times bc of it.
Eric said on the podcast something to the effect of (I'm paraphrasing): Bret really does believe he's a Canadian hero.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:46 pm to Mr Personality
I mean in the mid 90's i'm sure he was
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:47 pm to Mr Personality
I don't know, hero might be stretching it a bit. But I'd say Bret is certainly very known and I dare say respected by the average Canadian. It's true that he did make the list of the 50 greatest Canadians, finishing ahead of a couple former Prime Ministers and even legendary singer Leonard Cohen, so that says something.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:50 pm to the paradigm
Agreed. Again I'm not siding with Eric, Bret is my favorite wrestler, but that's part of Bischoff's argument and he's not totally wrong.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:54 pm to Mr Personality
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Bret is my favorite wrestler
frick there's something we agree on
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I also agree you guys did the right thing by hiring Lou but that's off topic.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:08 pm to Mr Personality
Bret has been bitter since survivor series. I side with easy e on this. He made a good case on his podcast.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:14 pm to 1999
Watched the video. He is still delusional claiming he was the hottest thing in wrestling when he came to wcw.
WCW was a sinking ship but probably would have closed 6 years earlier without Bischoff.
WCW was a sinking ship but probably would have closed 6 years earlier without Bischoff.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:14 pm to the paradigm
quote:I've gleaned from various podcasts and interviews that Sting and Bobby Eaton were among the few people who achieved any success while still being "too nice to be wrestlers." I heard similar things about Mick Foley, but something about him creeps me out to the point that I hesitate to put him in the same category. He comes across as so intensely nice that it seems off-putting, like a Ned Flanders kind of thing.
Having worked in this business, I can attest that pro wrestlers are the lowest of the low in regards to quality human beings. There are very few truly “good” guys in this business who never did drugs, committed adultery, etc.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:20 pm to Chuck Barris
Owen seemed to be an all-around great guy.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:26 pm to Chuck Barris
Two other guys who really stand out are Bob Backlund and George Gray (One Man Gang).
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