re: BREAKING: 2 OFFICERS DOWN BY RIOTERS - 09/23 Riot Thread - Stage: Louisville

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frick the constitution

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Finally, some honesty from a radical leftist.

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No, no, no! These problems would be easily solved by social workers.

Send them in already!

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People who want to add counselor/social workers to ride along with officers aren't talking about sending them out to deal with violent cases. Can we stop with that shite already?

They're talking about sending them out to deal with people with mental health issues to free up police for crimes they should be addressing. It literally prevents officers from being put in a position where they're firing on a mentally ill person. If it gets violent and you can't handle it at that point, you call the police in. This is no different then counselors working in psych wards. We physically handle people like that all of the time.

The misinformation on both sides is so fricking annoying.

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People who want to add counselor/social workers to ride along with officers aren't talking about sending them out to deal with violent cases. Can we stop with that shite already?

They're talking about sending them out to deal with people with mental health issues to free up police for crimes they should be addressing. It literally prevents officers from being put in a position where they're firing on a mentally ill person. If it gets violent and you can't handle it at that point, you call the police in. This is no different then counselors working in psych wards. We physically handle people like that all of the time.

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Yeah, no shite. Still defunding police departments and replacing cops with social workers.

If you defund and replace...you're left with sending in the social workers...


I'm not against finding a better way to deal with mentally ill folks rather than police, but that will likely end up being an ever expanding category with the way the social sciences work.

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. If it gets violent and you can't handle it at that point, you call the police in. This is no different then counselors working in psych wards. We physically handle people like that all of the time.

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No you don’t, not to the degree we are talking about on the streets. Centers that handle people with mental disabilities handle only the least violent and in controlled environments, plenty often the police are called to deal with them also. Dealing with someone on drugs on the street or in their home is a hell of a lot different then in a controlled environment.

Furthermore, centers with people with disabilities have numbers. Often times it takes 4, 5, or maybe 6 people to hold someone down. That’s absurd to have in the real world and will never happen.

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Yeah, no shite. Still defunding police departments and replacing cops with social workers.

If you defund and replace...you're left with sending in the social workers...

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In rational areas, no one is getting rid of whole police forces to replace them with social workers (and I say rational, as its been irrationally suggested in somewhere like Minnesota).

Here, as part of the Taylor settlement, they will be adding social workers and counselors through the use of forfeiture funds.

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So how does the 911 operator differentiate between someone with mental illness and a regular violent perp?

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It's my understanding you'll be in a "ride along" with an officer. At least that's how they're talking about doing it here.

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It's my understanding you'll be in a "ride along" with an officer. At least that's how they're talking about doing it here.

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Is Louisville a two cops per car city? If so and if it is a "ride along" situation, that's quite literally replacing a cop with a social worker.

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No you don’t, not to the degree we are talking about on the streets. Centers that handle people with mental disabilities handle only the least violent and in controlled environments, plenty often the police are called to deal with them also. Dealing with someone on drugs on the street or in their home is a hell of a lot different then in a controlled environment.

Furthermore, centers with people with disabilities have numbers. Often times it takes 4, 5, or maybe 6 people to hold someone down. That’s absurd to have in the real world and will never happen.

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There are plenty of situations that would never get violent that social workers/counselors could help de-escalate instead of officers.

Majority of calls to police are non-violent calls (they're forever getting called in for homeless people loitering, noise complaints, suicidal/mental health reports, child abuse, etc.). Lots of opportunity to free up police officers to handle what they've been trained to handle if you employ social workers/counselors for non-violent calls.

Yeah. You are totally not a leftist.

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If it gets violent and you can't handle it at that point, you call the police in.

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This is why they send the police the first time. So send in the police after the social worker is killed? Ok.