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re: BR Proud Article: What is carbon capture and how can it affect Louisiana?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:29 am to redstick13
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:29 am to redstick13
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The areas that the CO2 is being sequestered is being proven without a shred of doubt that it cannot "seep back up". Geology will not allow it to come back to the surface once it is down there. Go listen to one of these companies do a talk/public demonstration and you will learn a lot
This is total bull sh!t. CO2 reacts with water underground, forms carbonic acid, and dissolves limestone and other stratum. Fissures can occur later and release CO2 into the lake and then there is no stopping it, There are NO Safeguards to prevent Lake Maraupas from turning into carbonic acid if this happens. Includes Pass Manchac, Lake Pontchartrain, Rigolets, and Lake Borgne. All turned to acid!
Where has this no leak history been documented? It's just a gamble for profits that industry wants to take, and locals who would be devastated don't want to take.
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This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 12:53 am
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:13 am to Nawlens Gator
The first thread I saw on this had people who were obviously shilling for the companies that would profit from this unknown and somewhat scary process. Anybody who had questions, or a desire to learn more, or questioned the shady procedural ways this is being forced through were shite on, denigrated, and shouted down by these employees.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:27 am to redstick13
Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:30 am to GumboPot
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IMO the main concern is a major CO2 leak. For example
Sure, that can happen. People know about the Denbury line rupture.
Meanwhile, there’s been large trunk lines taking CO2 from places like Colorado and North New Mexico down to the Permian for EOR injection for decades, and it’s been done in a safe manner.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:17 am to Nawlens Gator
How much limestone do you think exists under Lake Maurepas?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:39 am to DMAN1968
As a general rule of thumb, our state has allowed hundreds of companies to pump all sorts of nasty toxic shite into deep injection wells for decades.
I do find it super interesting and surprising about the uproar over doing the same thing with CO2 . Would never have thought that would be the case.
I do find it super interesting and surprising about the uproar over doing the same thing with CO2 . Would never have thought that would be the case.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:48 am to TigerTatorTots
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The areas that the CO2 is being sequestered is being proven without a shred of doubt that it cannot "seep back up". Geology will not allow it to come back to the surface once it is down there. Go listen to one of these companies do a talk/public demonstration and you will learn a lot
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To investigate the issue of leakage and safe storage techniques, ENOS is carrying out research on the injection – or pumping – of CO2 into the ground at the Hontomin Technology Development Plant (TDP), near the city of Burgos in Spain, where CO2 is being pumped into a 1,600-metre-deep well alongside an underground reservoir. Running until September 2020, the project will use a variety of underground and surface-level sensors to monitor the wells and look for any gas that could be leaking out into the nearby water supply.
Seems like in other places they were still testing and monitoring if gas does leak out. Which is fine, but doesn’t mean it can’t happen at any of these carbon capture sites.
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ENOS will model how seismic waves caused by CO2 injections move through the ground. The idea is that if we know how these tremors are caused, this could then help with the selection of future carbon storage sites that pose minimal risk.
I guess we just rely on the experts and hope they don’t frick up from human error. Like Covid.
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To deal with the issues of leakage, CarbFix2 has a novel solution. They dissolve their CO2 in water before it is injected underground, meaning it is stored dissolved in liquid rather than a gas. And they’ve chosen basaltic rock as their storage point, which reacts with carbon to form calcite. ‘We are doing the injection in a totally different way than (traditional) carbon capture storage,’ said project coordinator Dr Edda Sif Aradóttir, deputy managing director at Reykjavik Energy. ‘So we don’t have to worry about leaks.’
Hmm seems like leakage is a major concern.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 6:57 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:49 am to Redlos
Just like EVs another waste of time and money
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:54 am to Redlos
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As a general rule of thumb, our state has allowed hundreds of companies to pump all sorts of nasty toxic shite into deep injection wells for decades.
I do find it super interesting and surprising about the uproar over doing the same thing with CO2 .
Valid point.
Setting off dynamite in Maurepas gets people’s attention.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:56 am to Redlos
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pump all sorts of nasty toxic shite into deep injection wells for decades. I do find it super interesting and surprising about the uproar over doing the same thing with CO2 . Would never have thought that would be the case.
20 miles into the gulf or in the outskirts of Sulfur, LA can be done without residents noticing (doesn’t mean they won’t be impacted, but wouldn’t notice beforehand) but Lake Maurepas is near too many cities and infrastructures to go unnoticed.
It makes the most logistical sense to pump it right under the river where most plants are already located, but they would never have tried this on The Mississippi River because it would have been shat upon by every state upstream as well.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:15 am to tigerstripedjacket
The injection is done in reservoirs well below any drinking water sources and in geological formations that are both permeable and sealed and well understood from offset well data. All of this concern is mostly from people who dont know what the hell they are talking about. Like those who think there is limestone underneath Lake Maurepas.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:45 am to GumboPot
quote:There are CO2 pipeline all around here currently. Why are people only concerned about these new pipelines going in? I don't see anyone protesting the hundreds of miles of existing lines that have been here for decades
IMO the main concern is a major CO2 leak. For example LINK
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:48 am to Redlos
quote:This time is different because the leftist NGO groups got to the locals and fearmongered them before the companies and universities could develop programs that educated them on the process
I do find it super interesting and surprising about the uproar over doing the same thing with CO2 . Would never have thought that would be the case.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:15 pm to TigerTatorTots
CO2 reacts with water to form carbonic acid. If the CO2 starts leaking into Lake Maurepas there is no way to stop it. There are no safeguards. It could destroy the surrounding ecosystems. Exactly where has millions of pounds of gas been stored underground and monitored for leaks?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:26 pm to Nawlens Gator
People are actually upvoting this insane alarmist BS? Freshwater surface waters turned to acid? Sheesh.
Learn some chemistry and geology people.
Learn some chemistry and geology people.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:27 pm to Nawlens Gator
quote:If you are asking about general near surface storage, then there are plenty of areas. Denbury has underground CO2 stored in the dome over by Jackson MS. Linde and Air Liquide have massive underground hydrogen storage in LA and TX. The government has massive underground oil reserve storage (not gas but wayyyy worse than CO2 in terms of toxicity). I'm sure there are others out there storing various gases in the area in salt dome underground because it is very common in the Gulf Coast.
Exactly where has millions of pounds of gas been stored underground and monitored for leaks?
All of these are about 6000 feet closer to the surface than where CCS stores the CO2.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 2:30 pm to lsugradman
I'm telling you, these leftist blue haired NGO environmental groups are doing some work on the ground making these good ole LA baws think their yard is going to boil under them
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:49 pm to ragincajun03
Lots of depleted oil/gas wells in Louisiana would love to get some of this.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:59 pm to TigerTatorTots
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these leftist blue haired NGO environmental groups are doing some work on the ground
Not just them, there’s folks in the right to protesting this, and not just because of the taxpayer funded grants stuff. They mimic the same arguments as the bucket brigade idiots regarding safety.
I’ve heard several call into Moon Griffon on the subject with some severely uninformed opinions.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:08 pm to CitizenK
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Lots of depleted oil/gas wells in Louisiana would love to get some of this.
Maybe.
My elementary understanding is that Class 6 well stips will require improved/re-plugging of old P&A’d wellbores within the proposed CO2 storage complex, in order to prevent CO2 from migrating uphole.
So, is it more cost-effective to also rework one of those old wellbores, or for injection purposes to have additional safeguards, would the operator just rather drill a new hole for injection?
I’m sure each scenario will present different economics and risk assessments.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 4:10 pm
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