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re: BR is possibly getting a new MS River Bridge

Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:22 am to
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39278 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:22 am to
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but the people outside of EBR in the other 4 parishes in the CARBD see BR traffic as exclusively BR's problem.


And yet, at least half of them commute to BR 5 days a week / shop in BR on the weekends / go to LSU events.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42075 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:22 am to
And how do you expect for the commission to take out the substantial loan to start up?

La isn't like TX and able to just conjure up a billion dollars.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
80489 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:23 am to
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Bridge tolls are a perfect way to fund this. Let the people who use it pay for it.


Bridge tolls are great for highway funding. Helps if the government can create a simple easy method of toll collecting. Here in houston we have one toll tag that works for any toll bridge and there’s no need for toll booths or slowing down.

The downside is politicians can’t be trusted to spend the toll money. Anyone familiar with the crescent city connection toll fiasco? The toll paid for the new bridge, which was fine. But after the bridge was built, the toll kept getting collected (and the toll booths snarled traffic). But with all that money, no further improvements were made. Instead it was spent on bureaucracy and needless insurance and unrelated highways god knows what else. Then when the toll came up for voter renewal, the sleazy politicians lied and rigged the voting to keep the tolls, and it was only through litigation that the tolls finally came off. In other words, the toll is likely permanent and likely won’t be used responsibly.
Posted by Melvin Spellvin
proud dad of 2 A&M honor grads
Member since Jul 2015
1676 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:23 am to
never to be completed in my lifetime...
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14574 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:24 am to
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EBR property taxes are ridiculous as it is. frick increasing it some more, I'll deal with the traffic

No they aren't. Maybe you're against property taxes in principle and that's fine, but compared to the rest of the country, Louisiana property taxes are quite low.

ETA, Louisiana has 3rd lowest average tax rate.

quote:

Louisiana’s assessed property taxes are among the most favorable in the United States. In fact, they are the lowest when analyzing a few metrics. Residents of Louisiana pay the lowest median property tax in the country with a median assessment of $243. An average of 0.45% of each individual’s income is paid towards property taxes, which is also lowest in the nation. Finally, Louisiana property taxes are an average of 0.18% of the property’s assessed value. This is the lowest ratio in the country.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 11:27 am
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
Member since Feb 2008
75083 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:24 am to
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Agreed. Much of the BR traffic isn't even local. Let's get the truckers and through traffic to pay for some of this. It shouldn't be just on EBRP property owners


Just tax the black owned businesses in NBR...
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
80489 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:24 am to
I’d pay a $10 toll just to loop around BR.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57989 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:24 am to
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People on this board love to talk about how great Texas is.

This is exactly how it's done in Texas... regional authorities, tolls, and sometimes local contributions.


dont quote me but i do not believe the property taxes go toward infrastructure. It goes to school districts.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39278 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:25 am to
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And how do you expect for the commission to take out the substantial loan to start up?

La isn't like TX and able to just conjure up a billion dollars.




Same way every other toll road/bridge is built... bonds backed by the revenue from the tolls. If needed... some special revenue bonds backed by a dedicated millage/sales tax.

I seem to recall this is how toll roads started in Houston. When they built the Sam Houston Tollway... they had to get some non-toll bonds as well since it was their first one. Metro (their transit authority) has a sales tax, so some of the sales tax money was used as backing for the bonds.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57989 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:26 am to
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And how do you expect for the commission to take out the substantial loan to start up?
Well most likely federal P3 dollars.

quote:

La isn't like TX and able to just conjure up a billion dollars.
Tx uses p3 dollars all the time.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 11:27 am
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
14094 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:30 am to
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BR is possibly getting a new MS River Bridge




Time to hand out some more tax dollars for a "Study"

Only people getting anything is are the members of the " five-parish regional authority"

Posted by Crusty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
2560 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:30 am to
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Everyone gets to share in the fun


I endorse this message. Now, if you say something silly like "only those that own property and actually pay property tax can use the new bridge"...I'm in! But F that if it is simply an additional property tax and nothing else. I am tired of paying for everyone else. If you want to use it...help pay for it. It really should be that simple.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39278 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:31 am to
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dont quote me but i do not believe the property taxes go toward infrastructure. It goes to school districts.


When we lived in Katy, we paid about 8 or 9 different property taxes. Like 3 were for education... ISD, community college district, and board of education. This was the greatest share of property tax.

But other property taxes go to other agencies for other needs. Some of that could be used for infrastructure.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68123 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:31 am to
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I seem to recall this is how toll roads started in Houston. When they built the Sam Houston Tollway... they had to get some non-toll bonds as well since it was their first one. Metro (their transit authority) has a sales tax, so some of the sales tax money was used as backing for the bonds.


What bonds are you referring to?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
102564 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:32 am to
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And how do you expect for the commission to take out the substantial loan to start up?

La isn't like TX and able to just conjure up a billion dollars.


Bonds backed by the anticipated tax/toll revenue.

Same way this shite happens everywhere else.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42075 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:32 am to
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dont quote me but i do not believe the property taxes go toward infrastructure. It goes to school districts.


Wrong.

Texas Comptroller site
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42075 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:33 am to
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Bonds backed by the anticipated tax/toll revenue.

Same way this shite happens everywhere else.


Someone still has to assume this risk. I am guessing the Federal Government will? Doesn't La have to match funds to a certain percentage?
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
51881 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:34 am to
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ETA, Louisiana has 3rd lowest average tax rate

We also pay the highest sales tax in the country. LA taxes are higher than TX and TN when taken as a whole
Posted by TigerDonk
BR
Member since Dec 2011
1248 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:35 am to
What's the over/under on number of politicians and contractors in jail before the bridge is completed?
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57989 posts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 11:35 am to
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Someone still has to assume this risk.
bonds are sold to investment firms.
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