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re: BR architect: close the washington st exit

Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:38 pm to
Enjoying this conversation...that said we are increasing cars because of land development patterns not because of taking cars off of surface streets. More people living in Livingston and Ascension who drive into the city does mean cars (no matter what happens as your stated).

My personal belief, and I'm not sure I'm right to be honest, but its more effective long term to build a new bridge south of BR that connects to existing road infrastructure that relieves some of the non city traffic on I-10.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70348 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:39 pm to
If I were made Traffic Czar, I would solve that issue, in part, by 4-laning nicholson all the way to Gonzales, 4-lane Lee between Highland and Perkins, build an additional road with bridge over Bayou Fountain between Lee and Kennilworth, extend Siegen/Burbank so it meets up with Bluebonnet near Springtree, extend Kennilworth to River Road in one direction and over 10/12 to Jefferson and maybe even Old Hammond in the other direction, and I would find a way to redo the Highland/Perkins/I-10 interchange so traffic on Perkins doesn’t have to merge on/off highland, possibly by building a flyover ramp from Perkins over I-10 to link up with Perkins again by the Home Depot.

The other crazy idea would be to make Siegen a controlled access highway through Highland, then have it link up with that extended road off the big curve to Bluebonnet, and put a new bridge right at Bluebonnet and Nicholson that would take people straight to Dow.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69981 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:40 pm to
How? It impedes traffic
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11815 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

My personal belief, and I'm not sure I'm right to be honest, but its more effective long term to build a new bridge south of BR that connects to existing road infrastructure that relieves some of the non city traffic on I-10.


Airline Hwy from AP over Old Bridge then back to Interstate needs to be a Freeway. That seems like the easiest and most logical solution. Even if you build a new bridge south of BR it seems logical to also make Airline a freeway.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 12:44 pm
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48647 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

If I were made Traffic Czar

extend harrels ferry road to 4-H club road with a new bridge over the amite, then all the way to wax road
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70348 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:46 pm to
If the people in AP and LP lived in BR, the EBR and interstate street system would not be able to handle them. The system wasn’t designed for the metro of 250,000 that was there when it was built. There are now 800k people living there. The reality is that there have been minimal capacity increases since 1970 relative to the population increasing by 320%.
Thankfully, capacity along I-12 has increased 50% in that span. Capacity going south on I-10 is in the process of increasing 50% as well. Capacity going west has not increased at all, and neither has capacity at that obvious choke point, of which there are many.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2754 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

If the people in AP and LP lived in BR, the EBR and interstate street system would not be able to handle them. The system wasn’t designed for the metro of 250,000 that was there when it was built. There are now 800k people living there. The reality is that there have been minimal capacity increases since 1970 relative to the population increasing by 320%. Thankfully, capacity along I-12 has increased 50% in that span. Capacity going south on I-10 is in the process of increasing 50% as well. Capacity going west has not increased at all, and neither has capacity at that obvious choke point, of which there are many.


Two things, if that many people "lived in the City", you would have enough density and demand (and revenue) to have a viable mass transit system.

Second, there is a lot of room for infill in North Baton Rouge and those folks wouldn't have to use I-10 to get downtown or to cross the river...but I know.....
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11815 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

If the people in AP and LP lived in BR, the EBR and interstate street system would not be able to handle them. The system wasn’t designed for the metro of 250,000 that was there when it was built. There are now 800k people living there. The reality is that there have been minimal capacity increases since 1970 relative to the population increasing by 320%.
Thankfully, capacity along I-12 has increased 50% in that span. Capacity going south on I-10 is in the process of increasing 50% as well. Capacity going west has not increased at all, and neither has capacity at that obvious choke point, of which there are many.


It would make public transportation / CATS much more used and viable.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70348 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:53 pm to
Definitely. If I were Czar, there would be 3 more bridges across the Amite at minimum.
There would also be bridges added across the Manchac as well, definitely one at Tiger Bend that would then be connected to 929 or 930. Airline would be 6 lanes wide, and become a controlled access highway with access roads from the 190 bridge to I-10 in gramercy/Sorrento. Perkins would be widened to 4-lanes all the way from Airline to Seigen, and it would be extended to meet that new Tiger Bend bridge expansion. 44 would be 4 or 5-lanes, as would 70, 30, 431, 73, 30, and 42. That’s just for starters. We’re 40 years behind and need to start catching up.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11815 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

if that many people "lived in the City", you would have enough density and demand (and revenue) to have a viable mass transit system.


This
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2754 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

Airline Hwy from AP over Old Bridge then back to Interstate needs to be a Freeway. That seems like the easiest and most logical solution. Even if you build a new bridge south of BR it seems logical to also make Airline a freeway.


Yes, Airline should definitely be more of a limited-access, high capacity corridor.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70348 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:55 pm to
CATS problem isn’t a lack of population density. CATS suffers from two issues:
1. The surface streets are already clogged.
2. Their busses stop and wait whether there are people getting on/off or not
3. Their busses never run on time and are not accurately tracked, making them so unreliable that people cannot depend on them for their daily work commutes if they want to be on time.

CATS has a leadership problem, not a population density problem.

Greater population density would make light rail more feasible, but that’s an even more expensive boondoggle than adding more travel lanes.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42533 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:57 pm to
I believe they are planning to connect Staring to 30 via the west end of Gardere already.

Before Harveston Bluebonnet should have been connected to Siegen via Burbank and then around the soccer complex.

Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53501 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:58 pm to
I know I'd have to walk a few miles from my front door to get to the closest cats stop. That would be lovely in BR weather much of the year.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42533 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 12:59 pm to
NBR has enough infrastructure for thousands more folks but.,,,,
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70348 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 1:00 pm to
This is true, but safety trumps all. If NBR was safe and didn’t smell so bad from Exxon and the dump, it would have way more people living there.

All of EBR would have way more people living there if the school system was decent.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42533 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 1:07 pm to
quote:


This is true, but safety trumps all. If NBR was safe and didn’t smell so bad from Exxon and the dump, it would have way more people living there.


East of Plank was OK, but the decay took its toll. That area of BR has a great grid network,
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 1:15 pm to
I understood just a couple of businesses would be affected with the widening around Perkins. Some hair salon and a temp structure at merchant.
Posted by oliveandblue
Member since Nov 2014
1761 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 1:30 pm to
Normally parking lot layouts are in a Civil Engineer's purview.

I honestly think this is a problem for a Civil Engineer, Transportation Engineer, and/or City Planner.
This post was edited on 11/26/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12156 posts
Posted on 11/26/19 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Wasn’t the whole fricking point of that new left exit by the merge to eliminate the Washington St exit?

How many people use that exit in an average day anyway? 50, if that?
I-110 S can access Wash St via the exit.
I-10 E can access Wash St via the Highland exit.

Can someone explain to me why the Wash St exit is still necessary?
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