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re: Bossier teachers are possibly planning a strike or walkout

Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:31 pm to
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we lost so we strike

makes sense


That's kind of what the American Labor Movement is based on. In the parish where I work, teachers haven't had a raise in twelve years. How many of you who work have gone twelve years without a raise?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51274 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:31 pm to
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Many/most districts are struggling to attract new teachers. Any idea why that might the case?



B/c the salaries suck.

Other reasons I've heard is that there is too much standardized testing, they can't simply teach anymore. They have to follow stupid standards. They also don't feel very supported by administration.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13888 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:32 pm to
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They have learned well from petulant children dem politicians who claim some nefarious power is always responsible when you lose a fair and open election.
I have a hard time believing a majority of Bossier Ph. teachers are angry over this. I think the RR United Union lady is stirring shite in an attempt to gain additional members. Found out this morning only a fraction of BP teachers are RR United members, most are associated with the State teacher's assoc.
Posted by White Bear
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:34 pm to
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Any idea why that might the case?
The pressure to continually succeed when a large part of the success of a given student starts at home.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23601 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:37 pm to
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Teaching is, on the surface, a flat cost investment in the future

a VERY important one, IMO...

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it does not directly generate money

nope, sure doesn't... it generates ASSETS... our future generation of Americans... that's something that, at the very least, we should be investing in... and everyone likes to talk about improving the school system and supporting teachers, but when it comes down to it, this is the sort of stuff that happens...

how are we going to improve stuff if sacrifices aren't made on BOTH sides of the equation?
Posted by Nawlinsboyinbossier
Bossier City
Member since Feb 2014
663 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:38 pm to
It seems like the more hazardous the parish, the better the pay? Am I wrong in thinking that Orleans and Caddo have to pay more than Bossier and St. Tammany?
Posted by V2_Jigsaw
Member since Apr 2017
358 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:38 pm to
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In the real world, we change careers when that happens. In a teachers world, they bitch and complain about everything. Then, summer comes and they have the greatest job in the world


What do you think “issues with retaining teachers” means?


They are going to other parishes or quitting teaching all together and it’s getting harder and harder for bossier to fill those vacancies. Last year Bossier had over 200 teaching vacancies. At the start of the school year some of those had to be filled by non-certified teachers.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Nawlinsboyinbossier
Bossier City
Member since Feb 2014
663 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:40 pm to
Many teachers, fireman and nurses have second jobs as servers or bartenders during the off times, which the restaurants and bars love.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13888 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:42 pm to
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Last year Bossier had over 200 teaching vacancies. At the start of the school year some of those had to be filled by non-certified teachers.
Interesting. I'd heard the stat so I checked the BPSB site yesterday - currently 47 open positions with several being "interest pool" openings. I'm not arguing your number just informing the current situation.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53799 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:43 pm to
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At the start of the school year some of those had to be filled by non-certified teachers.


I think that around 25% of the teachers in our district currently are non-certified. Nobody wants to do this shite anymore. You're absolutely set up for failure, and the powers that be like it that way so they can point the finger at you instead of the people who are really responsible. There is zero accountability on students or parents that they don't take upon themselves.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23601 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:43 pm to
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How about the schools provide what the teachers need instead?

that's kind of the idea... but do you think this money is just going to fall out of the sky? no, that money has to come from somewhere, and that means appropriated from taxes, much like the one that got shot down...

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So the solution is to pay them more so buying their own school supplies out of their own pockets is less impactful?

no, i'm saying they should NOT have to buy their own supplies, but due to budget constraints and school districts running out of money, many teachers, in an effort to do their best, resort to having to pay for their own supplies... it's a shame.... it really is...
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:45 pm to
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Interesting. I'd heard the stat so I checked the BPSB site yesterday - currently 47 open positions with several being "interest pool" openings. I'm not arguing your number just informing the current situation.


I would imagine at this point, the school district is still processing transfers and finalizing the number of slots at each school, and thus, the total number of open positions.

That number will spike soon, then come back down all summer long.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51274 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:46 pm to
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Many teachers, fireman and nurses have second jobs as servers or bartenders during the off times, which the restaurants and bars love.



Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
9927 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:46 pm to
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Fair enough. So let's say half of the teachers say, meh I'm done, and go change careers. Then what? they will get more money, but who teaches the kids?

I thought the problem was: I need to make more money.
You changed career paths and made more money. Problem solved.

New problem (that doesn't concern me): No one wants to go into teaching because it doesn't pay the bills (which has been very well known for decades). Who teaches the kids?? When they can't hire anyone, they will be forced to pay more to attract them. The good thing for you is that you took action to make more money (by changing careers) instead of complaining about it every single day like the rest of them.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:50 pm to
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She wanted to give the kids the test on the day it was scheduled.

Obviously she was not the only teacher affected. They were told that all 11 machines were "awaiting parts". The next morning, 4 were fixed.


So you are saying....she didnt have to pay for tests to be printed. She could have just rescheduled it for the next day.

Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
9927 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:57 pm to
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What do you think “issues with retaining teachers” means?

If you work for an entity that struggles to retain employees - - NEWS ALERT: you're working for for wrong entity.

Change your career or move to an area that pays better.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:01 pm to
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Supermoto Tiger


How old are you? You seem like someone who doesn't have a lot of life experience. I mean, you've never asked for a raise!!

I'm looking at this from a macro point of view. Lots of teachers are doing exactly what you suggest - they are changing careers, or not going into education in the first place.

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When they can't hire anyone, they will be forced to pay more to attract them.


And that money comes from, where?

1) Higher taxes? You already said no to that.

2) Moving money around the budget / firing admins? Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Also, the teachers don't control that. Who's going to put pressure on the people that do control that? The teachers can - by walking out.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:02 pm to
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So you are saying....she didnt have to pay for tests to be printed. She could have just rescheduled it for the next day.


Yup, she could have started a new unit for one day, then stopped it for a day to give a test, and then resumed it.

Or, the school can provide the resources that the teachers need, every day.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:12 pm to
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Yup, she could have started a new unit for one day, then stopped it for a day to give a test, and then resumed it.


Or she could have just reviewed the subject matter that the test was going to cover and give the test the next day when the copier was fixed.

Or give the test orally.

Or she could have printed the tests before the day of the test. A lesson not to procrastinate.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:19 pm to
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Or she could have just reviewed the subject matter that the test was going to cover and give the test the next day when the copier was fixed.


So waste a day? She teaches HS, not second grade. Lot of crap to cover.

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Or give the test orally.


She teaches ELA... not sure how that would work, with writing and reading passages and stuff

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Or she could have printed the tests before the day of the test. A lesson not to procrastinate.


She made the test on Saturday (a weekend day, I know) based upon how far the kids got through Friday.

I'm sure she could done other things differently. Or, you know, the school could provide working resources. Not sure why you are against that, but ok.
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