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re: Border Patrol-involved shooting in Minneapolis; person shot was allegedly armed
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:51 am to forkedintheroad
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:51 am to forkedintheroad
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The main question I have is did he have the gun on his person or did he fish it out of the backpack during the scuffle?
from all the video evidence we have, not one shot has him with a gun in his hand... he only has a cell phone in hand, and is then pepper sprayed....
actually the only time we see his gun is when the agent is carrying it away from him after retrieving it from his person...
he shot shortly after this...
we have no video evidence, from any of angles of the video takent, that shows he ever brandished a weapon
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Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:51 am to ell_13
quote:
Was the threat over?
Did the threat ever even start?
One man on his knees disarmed being prison pummeled - not a threat anymore, if he ever was.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:51 am to NawlinsTiger9
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There is no justifiable use of deadly force if the man has been disarmed and the threat is over.
None. Zero.
Well some of us live in the real world and know the actual legal standard and not wha ever nonsense you are projecting
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:52 am to ell_13
quote:
Was the threat over?
Dear fricking christ you guys are reaching so hard today
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:53 am to Klark Kent
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irrelevant
Are law enforcement taught to stand in front of a vehicle of a POTENTIALLY dangerous person?
It's a pretty simple answer. And you should know where I'm going with this. Everybody sucked in that scenario.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:53 am to chRxis
Remember, before this picture was taken 6 agents were on top of this man
Before this picture was taken, this man’s gun was taken from the back of his pants by an agent
The ice agent hit by the vehicle absolutely had reasonable fear for his life
The ice agents here never had reasonable fear for their life.
Before this picture was taken, this man’s gun was taken from the back of his pants by an agent
The ice agent hit by the vehicle absolutely had reasonable fear for his life
The ice agents here never had reasonable fear for their life.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:53 am to Antonio Moss
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Which, politically and morally, is absurd considering the massive systemic problem with illegal immigration as it relates to apportionment in the House.
You're not going to make major dents in the populations of inefficient areas to make much of a difference in apportionment, regardless. I mean I supposed you could do the opposite of my plan and permit illegals to roam in red/cooperative areas while inefficiently detaining/removing illegals from blue/uncooperative areas and make a slight difference in a small # of areas in terms of apportionment.
And, that shows a preference for a political-based policy and not one in maximizing detentions and deportations.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:53 am to Antonio Moss
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the actual legal standard
Link it
Link the actual legal standard for ICE using deadly force
Do it.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:54 am to STLhog
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I don't see a ton of justification happening in this thread.
perhaps try re-reading, from the first post, but do it unbiased this time...
if you REALLY can't see the abundance of attempted justification, then you are truly, TRULY retarded....
i'd at least have respect for you if you said, yeah, i see it but i don't give a frick and i agree with those trying to justify it, b/c at least, then, you aren't being intentionally intellectually dishonest
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:54 am to STLhog
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I think your points in here are fairly level but I completely disagree with you judging the situation watching a bunch of slow motion reddit videos vs what looks like it transpired in the manner of 10-15 seconds or less is pretty silly. I think that was the poster above's point. This shite happened very fast and it's not hard to fathom a situation of chaos where 4-5 officers see one Sig Sauer strapped on this dude's back and then someone else yelling GUN and mistakes being made. More people than not are not going to keep calm like Dick Winters and expecting that is just delusional.
All of this is correct.
Some of you are also failing to understand the likelihood of the firing officer not realizing that the arm pulling the gun out belonged to another officer and not the guy.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:55 am to lsupride87
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what was his intent here when there was still 3-5 feet of separation with himself and the woman and the woman is moving away from him?
The woman chose to put herself there. He did not seek her out. She came from behind and around him to get into that position.
quote:
For some fricking reason he decided it was time to close the space of the woman not moving towards him in anyway and knock her arse down
See my post above. Also, she did not start moving back until he started advancing.
Again, we are getting into the weeds. My whole point was to show what a disingenuous prick SFP is.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:55 am to STLhog
quote:
This shite happened very fast and it's not hard to fathom a situation of chaos where 4-5 officers see one Sig Sauer strapped on this dude's back and then someone else yelling GUN and mistakes being made.
More people than not are not going to keep calm like Dick Winters and expecting that is just delusional.
This is making arguments specifically against engaging in such risky behavior, though.
You're not wrong in the abstract, but as LEO, why create such a situation when it wasn't necessary?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:55 am to lsupride87
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The ice agent hit by the vehicle absolutely had reasonable fear for his life
Says the person in hindsight and not in front of a 4000 pound vehicle moving towards him.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:55 am to ell_13
quote:
Was the threat over?
What threat?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:56 am to pankReb
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Some of you are also failing to understand the likelihood of the firing officer not realizing that the arm pulling the gun out belonged to another officer and not the guy.
This is the FO part after the initial FA
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:56 am to pankReb
quote:Oh I 100% get that
Some of you are also failing to understand the likelihood of the firing officer not realizing that the arm pulling the gun out belonged to another officer and not the guy.
But how is “man we just really fricked up and thought the suspect had the gun but really he didn’t and we did” a valid defense?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:57 am to pankReb
quote:Read what I said. Slowly this time
Says the person in hindsight and not in front of a 4000 pound vehicle moving towards him.
quote:
The ice agent hit by the vehicle absolutely had reasonable fear for his life
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:58 am to chRxis
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if you REALLY can't see the abundance of attempted justification, then you are truly, TRULY retarded....
i'd at least have respect for you if you said, yeah, i see it but i don't give a frick and i agree with those trying to justify it, b/c at least, then, you aren't being intentionally intellectually dishonest
Relax. Winning this argument on the internet won't bring this dude back to life.
My stance is that in the real world, in a chaotic situation, I understand why a dude with a Sig Sauer strapped to his back, that got into an altercation with a bunch of slaw arse law enforcement agents is now dead.
Am I saying he got what he deserved? No.
I'm saying he got an outcome that was very likely given the circumstances of the situation and he holds some responsibility for it.
As much as the dumbass officer? No, but some.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:58 am to pankReb
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Some of you are also failing to understand the likelihood of the firing officer not realizing that the arm pulling the gun out belonged to another officer and not the guy.
True, and there are other theories that accompany this.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 11:58 am to pankReb
quote:
Some of you are also failing to understand the likelihood of the firing officer not realizing that the arm pulling the gun out belonged to another officer and not the guy.
Some of you are also failing to realize the situation would've never happened if ICE didn't START attacking non violent protestors
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