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re: Body camera footage shows Florida man being tasered 15 times before death at han
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:36 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:36 am to Darth_Vader
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As soon as the ER personnel saw he was combative, they'd have called the cops.
Of course, but they would have been better equipped to get him breathing again at a hospital, as opposed to the cops doing CPR on the side of the interstate.
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Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:38 am to The Pirate King
quote:Me?
In your perfect scenario, how should they have taken care of this guy tripping on spice?
Who is "they", the cops or the parents?
Cops, shite if I know, I'm not a cop. I was responding to the guy saying better parenting(instead of calling the cops) of the 32 year old man biting his fiance woulda fixed this real easily.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:39 am to Topwater Trout
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seemed like 2 to me but idk
You may want to watch the video again. There were at least four right on him when they pulled him out of the car with another cops standing at the back with the parents. And I believe there was another one there as well over next to the ambulance.
So they had about 5-6 grown men supposedly trained on how to restrain someone. Like I said, there's no valid reason they could not get him out without killing him.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:39 am to The Pirate King
In these situations I can't imagine why they don't just rope his damn feet, and leave him in the car
Call medical help, they could sedate him and take care of it
Police act as if they have to be stuffed in a squad car in three minutes
More and more training on de escalation needs to be had
Call medical help, they could sedate him and take care of it
Police act as if they have to be stuffed in a squad car in three minutes
More and more training on de escalation needs to be had
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:48 am to tigerfoot
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Call medical help, they could sedate him and take care of it
Police act as if they have to be stuffed in a squad car in three minutes
More and more training on de escalation needs to be had
I agree. One thing that struck me while watching the video was how the one cop was losing his cool and becoming overly emotional. Basically he lost his cool and allowed his emotions to dictate his actions and overall behavior. That's indicative of piss poor training and a general lack of control that should not been seen in a cop.
Had those cops calmed down, got their emotions under control and thought about the situation, they could have got him out and under control and he'd still be alive today.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:52 am to cbdman
Darwin. Guy was hopped up on bath salts. Reaching for the officers taser and biting. He's lucky he didn't get shot tbh.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 9:54 am to SlowEasyConfident
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Darwin. Guy was hopped up on bath salts. Reaching for the officers taser and biting. He's lucky he didn't get shot tbh.
I wouldn't call him lucky. Dead is dead.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:13 am to Darth_Vader
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there's no valid reason they could not get him out without killing him.
pretty sure their intent was to get him out without killing him
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:15 am to tigerfoot
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Call medical help, they could sedate him and take care of it
i have never heard of this happening
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:25 am to Topwater Trout
Top water we normally do sedate in the emergency department when assholes come in acting like this fricker. We get about 6 people restrain them to a gurney give them the meds and then wait for them to kick in. He prob died from excited delirium. His heart rate was prob beating between 150-200 x a min for the entirety of that battle with cops.
He needed the ole B52. 50 of Benadryl 5 of Haldol and 2 of Ativan and a nice pair of hard restraints for the drugs to kick in for 30 mins.
He needed the ole B52. 50 of Benadryl 5 of Haldol and 2 of Ativan and a nice pair of hard restraints for the drugs to kick in for 30 mins.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:33 am to Topwater Trout
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pretty sure their intent was to get him out without killing him
I never said they intentionally killed him. Thry did not mean to kill him but that does not change the fact that did in fact kill him.
The reason they killed him was not intentional homicide, rather it was more like negligent homicide. They lost their cool, became overly emotional and this lead to them not thinking about the consequences of their actions. Had they remained calm and in control of the situation, as they're supposed to be trained to do, they could have got him restrained and out of the car alive.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:47 am to Mrtommorrow1987
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Top water we normally do sedate in the emergency department when assholes come in acting like this fricker.
i wasn't sure if their was potential danger in doing so not knowing what the guy may be on...would emt's be allowed to do so in the field?
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:48 am to Darth_Vader
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Had they remained calm and in control of the situation
unfortunately humans, no matter the amount of training they receive, are human.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:52 am to Topwater Trout
quote:True. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been handled better and they shouldn't receive whatever just punishment deserved though.
unfortunately humans, no matter the amount of training they receive, are human.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 10:53 am to Topwater Trout
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unfortunately humans, no matter the amount of training they receive, are human
True. They are human. But they're also supposed to be trained on how to handle situations like this. These cops failed and the result was a man lost his life. That's inexcusable.
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:17 am to bencoleman
nope. John
Posted on 5/24/16 at 11:22 am to Topwater Trout
A handcuffed man in the back of the family car shouldn't panic a policeman
Posted on 5/24/16 at 12:53 pm to Topwater Trout
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wasn't sure if their was potential danger in doing so not knowing what the guy may be on...would emt's be allowed to do so in the field?
They don't carry anti psychotics. They give Versed and basically tie you up. In the hospital setting, we have to think about all our patients and if someone is acting like him we are going to put him down with medicine. If we can't get a hold on him we will give him enough medicine and intubate and sedate before they have a heart attack or go into rhabdomyolysis.
This post was edited on 5/24/16 at 12:56 pm
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