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re: Bloomberg: The fall of the Toyota Prius
Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:40 am to teke184
Posted on 8/19/19 at 10:40 am to teke184
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I’m wondering if they have made the larger hybrids like the Highlander significantly more efficient.
At one point I was looking at a hybrid Accord and found that you only got about an extra 3MPG to go with the extra cost and headache of dealing with a hybrid. Granted that is Honda vs Toyota but the whole deal of a hybrid only being efficient on a compact model held for a long time.
According to Toyota the regular Camry gets 29/41 and the hybrid gets 51/53. Pretty massive difference for in-city driving.
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:01 am to MLCLyons
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According to Toyota the regular Camry gets 29/41 and the hybrid gets 51/53. Pretty massive difference for in-city driving.
Hybrids are perfectly suited for Urban drivers. But they don't make economic sense for suburbs or country living
I'm frankly shocked that the Prius is struggling given the explosive groth of Uber and Lyft. Damn near every Uber in Seattle was a Prius
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:08 am to Tigeralum2008
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Hybrids are perfectly suited for Urban drivers. But they don't make economic sense for suburbs or country living
How so? Using the Camry figures you quoted, the Hybrid gets just under 20% more MPG highway. Couple that with the fact that people that live outside the city will usually drive more miles each year compared to their city-dwelling counterparts, the hybrid makes even more sense for those that live outside the city.
The current cost of fuel makes the payoff take longer, but the hybrid will have higher resale.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:38 am to madmaxvol
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Since the Corolla is a new hybrid, I'm believing that it is also eligible for the $7,500 tax credit that the Prius is no longer eligible for.
The credit is calculated by manufacturer, not model.
Otherwise they would just rename the car every 4 years.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:41 am to member12
They turned it from a slightly odd-looking vehicle to a very odd-looking vehicle.
Honda realized their missteps and fixed the insight this go-round.
Honda realized their missteps and fixed the insight this go-round.
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:49 am to member12
Sedan sales in the US have fallen off a cliff across the board.
It's also odd that they compared the Prius to the Fusion getting dumped considering Ford is killing all their normal non crossovers aside from the Mustang in the US.
It's also odd that they compared the Prius to the Fusion getting dumped considering Ford is killing all their normal non crossovers aside from the Mustang in the US.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:52 am to Tigeralum2008
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I'm frankly shocked that the Prius is struggling given the explosive groth of Uber and Lyft. Damn near every Uber in Seattle was a Prius
They seem to have opted for either mid sized sedans or smaller crossovers around here.
I do see a lot of dirty and poorly maintained Toyota Prius models in taxi fleets though.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:53 am to member12
It was a novel concept at first, but when given other options along the same lines, why would anyone drive THAT. The Ford Fusions are actually pretty nice cars.
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 11:54 am
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:01 pm to Dr RC
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Sedan sales in the US have fallen off a cliff across the board.
Yep. Frankly it's amazing how the shift to CUV's has ramped up the past few years.
Cheap gas and you don't lose that much mileage anyway.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:24 pm to weadjust
There are some people that don’t give a rat’s arse what other people think about what they drive and I’m one of those people.My wife and I only care about gas mileage and reliability and our brokerage account shows it.
We have 2 Priuses-2015 and 2016.Average 50 mpg and have had not one problem with either one.I also have a Tacoma but drive the 2015 Prius most often because of the gas mileage.
Some of these comments:”virtue signaling”,”Obama sticker”,”rainbow Beto sticker” are sad IMO -grow a set ,quit worrying about other people think.I deer hunt,fish,have 2 tractors,bunch guns,2 MAGA hats( 1 red,1 camo),If people want to label me because I drive a Prius that’s their problem.
I have always gone my own way,I went to nursing school in1973 and caught a lot of grief 1st 7-8 years.My own dad had a friggin meltdown when I broke the news”I have 1 son and he turns out to be gd queer”.I just laughed at him and went on and had a good career.Lot of benefits to that job-weather was always nice,interesting work,rarely boring,all the overtime I wanted,and lots “eye candy” in the hospital.
So keep driving your F150’s with truck nuts and feeling “manly “.I actually had one once and liked it until the day it threw a rod through the block-antifreeze was leaking into cylinder.Had GMC also,didn’t keep that pos long,nothing but trouble-ac,electrical issues.
Seriously doubt I’ll ever drive anything except Toyotas.
We have 2 Priuses-2015 and 2016.Average 50 mpg and have had not one problem with either one.I also have a Tacoma but drive the 2015 Prius most often because of the gas mileage.
Some of these comments:”virtue signaling”,”Obama sticker”,”rainbow Beto sticker” are sad IMO -grow a set ,quit worrying about other people think.I deer hunt,fish,have 2 tractors,bunch guns,2 MAGA hats( 1 red,1 camo),If people want to label me because I drive a Prius that’s their problem.
I have always gone my own way,I went to nursing school in1973 and caught a lot of grief 1st 7-8 years.My own dad had a friggin meltdown when I broke the news”I have 1 son and he turns out to be gd queer”.I just laughed at him and went on and had a good career.Lot of benefits to that job-weather was always nice,interesting work,rarely boring,all the overtime I wanted,and lots “eye candy” in the hospital.
So keep driving your F150’s with truck nuts and feeling “manly “.I actually had one once and liked it until the day it threw a rod through the block-antifreeze was leaking into cylinder.Had GMC also,didn’t keep that pos long,nothing but trouble-ac,electrical issues.
Seriously doubt I’ll ever drive anything except Toyotas.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:28 pm to member12
If I'm doing a lot of miles, I'd be leary of the battery going bad, @$3K+. Warranty is 100K miles, but some people do that in 4yrs. $3K+ the upcharge for the hybrids buys a lot of gas.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:28 pm to member12
Prius V owner here. It’s a decent station wagon vehicle. Enjoy the mpg and it’s insanely reliable. But obviously not for everyone.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:31 pm to BuckyCheese
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Yep. Frankly it's amazing how the shift to CUV's has ramped up the past few years.
It's amazing to see this shift so fast. Production of the Hyundai Azera, Chrysler 200, Kia Cadenza, Mitsubishi Lancer, and Ford Taurus have already been canceled.
Honda is actually struggling to move the excellent new Accord at the same levels they did in the past. Toyota and Nissan are unloading the Camry and Altima to rental fleets despite investing in both of those models recently. Ford is cancelling the Fusion this year while Ford focuses on crossovers. Rumor is that the Chevrolet Malibu will be phased out after 2023 and replaced with some electric crossover.
This is disappointing. Very few new crossovers appeal to me.
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:38 pm to VetteGuy
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Hybrids and diesel cars are dead
Given the downvotes, I should have been more specific:
Diesel cars are dead in the US.
Hybrid cars are still popular, but the future is electric. Look for hybrid options to diminish.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:40 pm to VetteGuy
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Diesel cars are dead in the US.
Correct. VW was the final nail in that coffin.
Diesel pickups are going to be here for a while. The latest full sized GM trucks get 33 mpg on the highway and can still tow 4-5 tons. That's a big deal.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:42 pm to TigerStripes06
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The Ford Fusions are actually pretty nice cars
I have not heard very many nice things said about the Fusion nor would I buy a vehicle that I know the manufacturer is phasing out. They don't have any incentive to invest product improvements.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:45 pm to lsu xman
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If I'm doing a lot of miles, I'd be leary of the battery going bad, @$3K+. Warranty is 100K miles, but some people do that in 4yrs. $3K+ the upcharge for the hybrids buys a lot of gas.
No need to be concerned if you look at the stats. Almost all of them operate for well over 100K, they are warrantied for 150K in Cali-compliant states. Plus the average non-dealer cost to replace is under $1000.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:48 pm to lsu xman
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If I'm doing a lot of miles, I'd be leary of the battery going bad
Starting with the gen 3 Prius (2010-2015), catastrophic failure is almost a non-issue. You can also replace individual cells of the battery instead of the entire pack. What used to be several thousand dollars to fix is now just several hundred and can be done at home.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:49 pm to LNCHBOX
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You can also replace individual cells of the battery instead of the entire pack. What used to be several thousand dollars to fix is now just several hundred and can be done at home.
Very smart idea on their part.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:54 pm to LNCHBOX
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Starting with the gen 3 Prius (2010-2015), catastrophic failure is almost a non-issue. You can also replace individual cells of the battery instead of the entire pack. What used to be several thousand dollars to fix is now just several hundred and can be done at home.
Is that the same for other Toyota hybrids?
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