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re: Bill before Louisiana legislature aims to preserve, protect slave burial sites

Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:55 pm to
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:55 pm to
F that.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70485 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 11:22 pm to
Graveyards are already in the civil code as private things subject to public use. Even if a graveyard is on private property, those graves must still be made accessible to the public and cannot be disturbed or covered by development. All that is happening here is creating a process for identifying previously unmarked graveyards, or old graveyards which were forgotten or abandoned by time so they can be extended the same protections as all other grave sites.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
14577 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 2:25 am to
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We bury our animals better than what we've done for these people,


What we've done? Who is the we kemosabe?
Posted by Crowley Cajun
Member since Sep 2004
456 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:21 am to
This bill raises interesting questions. Because we live in a state that was dotted with plantations all over, I'm sure that there are unknown grave sites. I'll be curious if say, the skeletal remains of just one person is found on a large tract of land yet it is not known as a cemetery. What will happen to that tract of land? Will they just declare all of it a grave site even though there is no evidence? Lands have changed hands many times over the years so it could put a current land owner in a major bind because they won't know the land's history. Also, this bill is centered around private land. It will be interesting what will happen if a government project is in the middle of this. Suppose a much needed highway expansion runs across an unmarked cemetery. How will that be handled? Now you have a project for the public good versus preserving history. Who wins? If they move the remains to an official cemetery and declare it a historical site, as they should for historical reasons, so the project can continue then the same accommodation should be given to land owners. I'm for preserving history, but there will have to be compromises.
Posted by Badman
West Monroe, LA
Member since Nov 2009
2703 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:14 am to
Why not treat the sites like all of the Indian mounds around the state??
Posted by Tear It Up
The Deadening
Member since May 2005
13913 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:21 am to
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A bill introduced by Rep. Ken Brass, D-Vacherie would create a special commission tasked with coming up with measures to identify historic cemeteries where former slaves and free people of color were buried, give them special recognition and designate them as tourist attractions.


I really don't see this going anywhere. A special commission, made up of Brass's cronies, will get a grant and then realize the amount of work involved in locating antebellum slave cemeteries. After recognizing one or two cemeteries, obviously in Brass's district, the commission will pretty much quit working even though taxpayer funding is still paying the commissioners. This will go on for a year or two when the funding will be cut.

It boils down to Brass wanting media attention and money for him and his friends while trying to advance his political career by pandering to black voters.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
61196 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:10 am to
You people act like you didn’t grow up playing tag with an old slave skull from the plantation cemetery on a stick. Scared the crap out of the new kids.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:13 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138923 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:37 am to
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I really don't see this going anywhere. A special commission, made up of Brass's cronies, will get a grant and then realize the amount of work involved in locating antebellum slave cemeteries. After recognizing one or two cemeteries, obviously in Brass's district, the commission will pretty much quit working even though taxpayer funding is still paying the commissioners. This will go on for a year or two when the funding will be cut.

It boils down to Brass wanting media attention and money for him and his friends while trying to advance his political career by pandering to black voters.



Our local left wing activists have been trying to stop a neighborhood from being built around a local plantation home because they say it's nothing but a giant slave graveyard. They actually said it would be like building a nice upscale neighborhood at Auschwitz.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1639 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 12:09 pm to
IF unmarked graves were to be found the bodies should be exhumed and moved to an existing cemetery, otherwise this is a serious erosion of property rights. People just think this will be in the middle of some farmer's massive field and "he won't miss a little corner of it" but it could just as easily be your backyard.

It's also racist to say that slave graves are more important than normal graves.

They can keep on pushing the envelope with laws like this, but at some point a line will be crossed and there will be a reckoning. It won't be pretty.

ETA: People have been dying everywhere for forever. If we recognized every single place with a body the world would be one big mausoleum.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 12:17 pm to
If I owned any of this land, I’d be out there with a back hoe & a dozer, relocating the frick outta it. Poltergeist be damned
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

You people act like you didn’t grow up playing tag with an old slave skull from the plantation cemetery on a stick. Scared the crap out of the new kids.

Old cemetery near my grandmas had a lot of broken tombs. Sick frick buddy of mine pulled out a fricking femur and chased us around with the thing
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
50291 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 2:38 pm to
Hard to see how others have an obligation today to protect the remains of unknowns from almost 200 years ago when large numbers of people today don't care for the remains of their recently deceased or maintain the tombs of more recent relatives.

The number of abandoned tombs is enormous.

Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
19261 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:37 pm to
Pearlington ms had two sea cotton plantations owned by Claiborne and Jackson jr. These plantations had accounts of 100 slaves during their time. When the slaves died they were just buried where ever the slave family felt fit away from the main stay of the owners. Sometimes they would have a designated area. Sometimes they did not. Those plantations are no longer there any remaining graves would be damn near impossible to find. This is only one example of graves that no one knows where they are
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8684 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 6:23 pm to
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They are historical preservation sites no different than antebellum homes.


You do understand that there are a ton of privately owned antebellum homes with no public access, right?
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
Member since Jun 2004
17170 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 6:30 pm to
Screw that, memories of horrible times. Gotta tear them all down, that’s how it works right Mitch?
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134648 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 6:32 pm to
Sounds like if I dig up any dead slaves i’m Just chunking them in the river in plastic bags.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11821 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:44 pm to
Plantation land grab. Sounds like South Africa.
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