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Bill before Louisiana legislature aims to preserve, protect slave burial sites
Posted on 4/28/18 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 4/28/18 at 6:53 pm
Sorry for the long post but there is a lot going on with this and it is a Saturday after all. TL-DR: Bunch OT property owners fixing to get screwed by the state.
While sounding good on its face, it turns out that most of these sites are on private property. The ultimate goal of this legislation is to require landowners to basically abdicate any land that had a slave buried on it, require access be granted to the site for preservation-historical study-tourism use and prohibit the land owner from doing anything with the land. I would say there is zero chance that our broke arse state will fairly compensate a land owner for the property even if they decided to go that route. Top it off that there isn’t a single legislator who is going to stand up in a public forum and call out the issues with this bill for fear of the “racist” label. It has already cleared Committee on a unanimous vote. Anyone else see this as a really bad idea? FWIW, this all got started because Shell recognized that one large site on its land and fenced it off. Now the activists say there are potentially hundreds of sites that deserve the same treatment. Give an inch, get demands for miles.
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While sounding good on its face, it turns out that most of these sites are on private property. The ultimate goal of this legislation is to require landowners to basically abdicate any land that had a slave buried on it, require access be granted to the site for preservation-historical study-tourism use and prohibit the land owner from doing anything with the land. I would say there is zero chance that our broke arse state will fairly compensate a land owner for the property even if they decided to go that route. Top it off that there isn’t a single legislator who is going to stand up in a public forum and call out the issues with this bill for fear of the “racist” label. It has already cleared Committee on a unanimous vote. Anyone else see this as a really bad idea? FWIW, this all got started because Shell recognized that one large site on its land and fenced it off. Now the activists say there are potentially hundreds of sites that deserve the same treatment. Give an inch, get demands for miles.
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A month after the dedication of two cemeteries in Ascension Parish that contain as many as 1,000 unmarked slave graves, the Legislature is taking steps to preserve and protect such sites in Louisiana.
A bill introduced by Rep. Ken Brass, D-Vacherie would create a special commission tasked with coming up with measures to identify historic cemeteries where former slaves and free people of color were buried, give them special recognition and designate them as tourist attractions.
Louisiana is dotted with unmarked graves and neglected cemeteries where formerly enslaved black men, women and children were buried, and advocates say that it’s past time to give them the recognition and respect they didn't get in life.
“We bury our animals better than what we've done for these people,” local genealogist Debbie Martin said.
Martin has mapped out more than 3,000 burials of black people in nearly 30 cemeteries hidden in secluded woods near sugar cane fields in West Baton Rouge Parish. She’s been archiving and cleaning up these neglected cemeteries through her nonprofit organization, The Westside Cemetery Preservation Association.
"This is extremely important," Rep. Pat Smith, D-Baton Rouge, said in response to the bill. "This is truly commemorating history. There are cemeteries we don't know about all over this state."
Hambrick and others believe there could be hundreds of cemeteries throughout rural Louisiana, mostly near lands where plantations once stood. Some are still in used as farmland, but other parcels have been purchased by industry.
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 6:59 pm to jbgleason
This could be good or really bad and it completely hinges on how the law is worded
Posted on 4/28/18 at 6:59 pm to jbgleason
Good idea in theory but yea I do see issues with private property.
Could the state exhume the remains and put them in some kind of mosileum, family graveyard, or memorial?
Could the state exhume the remains and put them in some kind of mosileum, family graveyard, or memorial?
Posted on 4/28/18 at 6:59 pm to jbgleason
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"This is extremely important," Rep. Pat Smith, D-Baton Rouge, said in response to the bill. "This is truly commemorating history.
What about the monuments of people from the same era?
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:02 pm to jbgleason
It's a difficult question, the slavery aspect notwithstanding. Up here in Cenla, families have lost access to old pioneer era cemetaries and burial sites when they're on company land or fenced off by hunting clubs. In other cases, any trace has been completely obliterated by logging operations. Sometimes private landowners and leaseholders are accomodating. Often they are not.
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:02 pm to The Boat
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What about the monuments of people from the same era?
I wasn’t even going to mention the statues given the myriad of problems this bill raises but, yeah, the hypocrisy is pretty fricking blatant.
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:13 pm to jbgleason
A lot of these cites are on property owned by the plants down the Mississippi River where plantation homes were once. Some of the facilities just gated around them so locals could come visit the marked sites. The two that were just announced on Shell property and had a ceremony for, were found when they were doing exploratory digging for a projected expansion in the cane fields on the property they own. They actually found bodies all over the cane fields but just found it easier to mark off two small areas and put decorative pipe bollards around them.
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:14 pm to jbgleason
See no issue. They are historical preservation sites no different than antebellum homes. The issue is going to be who will be responsible for upkeep and access times and access roads. If they fall under parks they will have designated times to be open and not just 100% access to someone’s property.
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:16 pm to jbgleason
Guess black un-lives matter as much as lives.
Edit: in all seriousness, this would technically qualify as the first live shot/round in the reparations debate. About to be a true cost paid by white non-slave owners directly attributable to dead slaves.
Edit: in all seriousness, this would technically qualify as the first live shot/round in the reparations debate. About to be a true cost paid by white non-slave owners directly attributable to dead slaves.
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:16 pm to jbgleason
the south was forced to work and prop up the whole economy of the united states with their taxes and tariffs while people up north reaped all the benefits (basically slavery) and they're pulling statues of southerners down
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:17 pm to Puck82
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See no issue. They are historical preservation sites no different than antebellum homes. The issue is going to be who will be responsible for upkeep and access times and access roads. If they fall under parks they will have designated times to be open and not just 100% access to someone’s property.
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Puck82
I think you typed "P" here when you meant to type "C"
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:21 pm to el Gaucho
Civil War and slavery were just awful. Those bodies should be tilled into nothing so we can pretend they don't exist, forget about all of it and move on.
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:23 pm to el Gaucho
Nah it was supposed to be an F as in frick your weak shite
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:38 pm to jbgleason
Any burial grounds should be protected, that’s just common sense
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:53 pm to rsbd
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Any burial grounds should be protected, that’s just common sense
Why? They just remind us of how horrible that time period was.
Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:02 pm to Puck82
Let them rest in peace...nobody even keeps up the sweet olive cemetery downtown...who is going to keep up with all these unmarked cemeteries?
Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:07 pm to starsandstripes
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Why? They just remind us of how horrible that time period was.
Well you are just a sandy little twat
Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:08 pm to jbgleason
Loozanna is one fricked up state. Smh
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