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re: Big Bang theory debunked?

Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:16 am to
Posted by Ford Frenzy
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:16 am to
This is really gonna upset science loving folks that think religion is good but not real.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:30 am to
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showing a pic of a guy that looks exactly like some weird brilliant scientist to discredit his claims of being some weird brilliant scientist was a complete fail.
I didn't really mean for the photo to discredit him, that pic has a lot of similarities to photos of Einstein. I just thought it was funny.

But it's possible to be weird, brilliant, and a crank.
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 1:59 am to
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Maybe more like there was everything all together and that was not a stable state.


How long do you propose everything was together in an unstable state before you think it went bang one day and what was the tipping point that made it bang.

Also if everything was together who created it? Do you believe in a creator at all?
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:20 am to
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You're going to have to explain yourself.


No, because I am not a believer in BBT.

Explain why you believe it so much.

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58755 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:22 am to
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DarthRebel


Posted by jcaz
Laffy
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:25 am to
There’s so many concepts to physics we likely don’t understand so Big Bang may have made sense up to now given what we do know.
We don’t even fully understand gravity and it’s effect on space time.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:33 am to
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Big Bang theory


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As Terence McKenna observed, 'Modern science is based on the principle: Give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest.' The one free miracle is the appearance of all the mass and energy in the universe and all the laws that govern it in a single instant from nothing."

-- Rupert Sheldrake, Morphic Resonance: The Nature of Formative Causation




Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21244 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 7:17 am to
Interesting
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Modern science is based on the principle: Give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest


BBT will go down as the biggest lie ever told and it is sad we teaching it as absolute truth. Many people have forgot the "T" part of BBT, is the most important part of BBT.

This is what leads to people believing in fake vaccines

Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
8636 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 7:18 am to
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Why would there be no God on other planets? An even better question is why would God only create life one time on one planet? If He has no beginning or end, why all of a sudden up and create one planet in the expanse of the universe and put people on it?

Why not?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:13 am to
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No, because I am not a believer in BBT.
It was your claim that BBT does not explain why we see the same thing in all directions. You need to support that claim and/or propose an alternate theory.
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Explain why you believe it so much.
Because it explains a lot of observations about the universe, and thus far there are zero alternatives that do it better or even really come close.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:14 am to
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BBT will go down as the biggest lie ever told and it is sad we teaching it as absolute truth. Many people have forgot the "T" part of BBT, is the most important part of BBT.
You're one of the "it's only a theory" folks?

You understand that theories never get promoted to "fact" or "law", right?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64575 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:15 am to
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There was nothing and nothing exploded.


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Maybe more like there was everything all together and that was not a stable state.


If there was “everything all together” then the BBT no longer explains the beginning of the universe since, as you say, everything already existed. Where did this “everything” come from? How did it become “everything”? And what caused this “everything all together” to be unstable?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:22 am to
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How long do you propose everything was together in an unstable state before you think it went bang one day
Space and time are one and the same. There was no space and there was no time. So "how long" is a bit of a nonsensical question.
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Also if everything was together who created it?
The BBT does not try to explain that. It only describes the evolution of the universe as we observe it.
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Do you believe in a creator at all?
What do my beliefs have to do with the BBT?
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3142 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:22 am to
Next up: “Climate Change”

Todays ruling class of Science doesn’t even realize that they have become the modern day Galileo persecutors.

I would hope that this might humble them, but I won’t hold my breath.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68235 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:27 am to
This is one guy who has been arguing against the Big Bang for decades. His cherry-picking of data doesn't make his position correct.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:28 am to
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If there was “everything all together” then the BBT no longer explains the beginning of the universe
The BBT doesn't "no longer" explain how the singularity got there, it never tried to explain that part.
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Where did this “everything” come from?
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How did it become “everything”?
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And what caused this “everything all together” to be unstable?
Do you think that sounds like a stable state?


Do folks think that unanswered questions outside the scope of the BBT refute it?
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 8:30 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64575 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:30 am to
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Korkstand


So just downvote and ignore my questions instead of answering. I thought you believed in science. If you did, you’d welcome questions. But you don’t welcome questions. You react to questions with hostility and derision. You don’t believe in science as science. You believe in science as a religion. And any questioning of your faith is unacceptable.

Your immediate downvote proves my point. Thank you.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 8:32 am
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:38 am to
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If there was “everything all together” then the BBT no longer explains the beginning of the universe since, as you say, everything already existed.


The BBT never explained the origin of the universe, only the universe in its current state.

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Where did this “everything” come from?


I don't know. Maybe it always existed.

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How did it become “everything”?


This is what the BBT explains.

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And what caused this “everything all together” to be unstable?


There are answers to these questions out there. They are beyond my understanding, so I suggest doing a little research if you are truly curious.
Posted by Poichess
Member since Jun 2019
792 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:39 am to
At one point the universe had ten dimensions. Physics explains the dimensions folding upon themselves. We are currently in the third dimension. Eventually the universe becomes one dimensional and a Big Bang will happen. Then the process repeats itself.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 8:41 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64575 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:43 am to
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There are answers to these questions out there. They are beyond my understanding


So, much like religion, faith is required.

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so I suggest doing a little research if you are truly curious.


I am highly curious. And sadly there can be little to no honest and open questions as this thread proves because believers in BBT tolerate questions no better than religious people tolerate questions on their views.
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