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re: Baton Rouge to get $1.8 million transit grant
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:59 am to member12
Posted on 9/10/14 at 8:59 am to member12
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Baton Rouge would be better off with a light rail system that isn't susceptible to traffic or traffic lights. They should shamelessly copy Houston and get cars that are just as comfortable and safe at high speeds as they are with low speeds. The cars are low enough to the ground where the transit stops won't have to be elevated beyond curb height.
This, I completely agree with. A system at the mercy of BR traffic would be a waste. We already have that in place anyway.
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:01 am to kingbob
I agree, bad news for BRDUI division if young people use the rail. I just don't know if you really want a street car to run all the way to cortana. I also don't know how much use a streetcar would get in Baton Rouge, Public transit has a major stigma in BR. Now a high speed rail might work because it wouldn't have the same stigma. FWIW I think the one connecting LSU to downtown is a great idea.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:03 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:03 am to ProjectP2294
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You know, a town with money is a little like the mule with the spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it and danged if he knows how to use it.
Heh heh, mule.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:05 am to yellowfin
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1.8 million for a study.....typical government waste
Politicians get headlines. Connected consultants get payday. Connected landowners get favors. Taxpayers get screwed. Traffic gets worse.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:13 am to TigersOfGeauxld
So is the Pastime going get demolished for this new Water Campus?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:15 am to mule74
No, the Water Campus will be on the southside of I-10 and will run to Oklahoma Street IIRC
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:31 am to member12
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Baton Rouge would be better off with a light rail system that isn't susceptible to traffic or traffic lights.
is that even possible with our current grid?mono rail?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 9:41 am to TigersOfGeauxld
After reading the title, I was coming here to post tha Landridyke will immediately take credit fro this.
It campaign season YO!
It campaign season YO!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:00 am to member12
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Baton Rouge would be better off with a light rail system that isn't susceptible to traffic or traffic lights
Here's the problem with light rail/streetcar. Sure BR can probably get a grant from FTA for capital expenditures like placing the rail, buying the cars, etc. But when it comes down to actually operating the service on a daily basis there's no way the city or CATS has enough money. The feds don't give money to operate systems. So basically you'd have trains maybe coming every hour during rush hour.
I say look to BRT. Use branded articulated buses with enhanced stations along the corridors. It's much cheaper and is actually viable.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:17 am to Hammertime
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So if they do decide to make a streetcar line, it would cost what, $40 billion to make it out to downtown, and maybe 1500 people a day will use it? They'd have to shut down a lane on the southbound side of Nicholson for 7 years while it is being built? It's obviously not feasible, so what's the reason for the study?
streetcar cost about $50million, BRT $15-30million depending on what has to be done and if you try to get gold rating (which there are none in the US)
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:21 am to heartbreakTiger
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spend money to clean downtown up and then pour money into a system to bring poor people back into downtown
actually BRT and streetcars are very effective at spurring development alonf the lines
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For example, Cleveland’s Healthline, a BRT project completed on Cleveland’s Euclid Avenue in 2008, has generated $5.8 billion in development —$114 for each transit dollar invested. Portland’s Blue Line, a light rail project completed in 1986, generated $3.74 per dollar invested.
(modern streetcars not historic ones like NOLA or Memphis)
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:22 am to LSUBoo
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This, I completely agree with. A system at the mercy of BR traffic would be a waste. We already have that in place anyway.
BRT has sensors that change the lights for it and its own dedicated lanes
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:25 am to WeeWee
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BRT has sensors that change the lights for it and its own dedicated lanes
So you're saying it's going to get stuck at every intersection during rush hour because people can't help getting caught in the middle when the light turns red?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:28 am to LSUBoo
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So you're saying it's going to get stuck at every intersection during rush hour because people can't help getting caught in the middle when the light turns red?
do you have any idea how it works?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:30 am to TigersOfGeauxld
no more riverside towing?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:31 am to WeeWee
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do you have any idea how it works?
Yes, that was a joke. About how bad BR drivers are.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:32 am to LSUBoo
quote:exactly.
Good luck fighting the bus stigma.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:32 am to Hammertime
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Once the thugs from North of campus start riding it, normal people will stop
gentrification will rid us of them .
Posted on 9/10/14 at 10:34 am to bigrob385series
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is that even possible with our current grid?mono rail?
Houston and Portland did a fantastic job setting up a system that acts as a street car in the urban areas and a light rail system with higher speeds and fewer stops in less dense areas.....all with it's own dedicated right of way down the center of the street and sometimes off the street entirely.
They have sensors that change the lights when it passes intersections so the train only stops at the platforms, which are curb height. It is head and shoulders better than New Orleans's street car system, and it's handicap accessable.
It's ideal for Baton Rouge - especially if they expand the line later to places like the Mall of Louisiana or down North blvd. You can get ona train in a suburban area and travel 60-70 mph to the more dense centers, where the train slows to 40 mph between stops. The passengers don't have to switch to a street car once they get there. Definately combining the best of a commuter rail and a street car, and it has the flexibility of being able to add more cars to a train if demand permits, such as it would in Baton Rouge on LSU gameday or the Spanish Town Parade.
It's absolutely critical that these trains get their own right of way and don't share lanes with cars....ideally they'd use the median for dual tracks and platforms. They'd have to get creative around LSU and downtown....probably taking out some street parking.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 10:39 am
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