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re: Baton Rouge streetcar thread
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:39 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:39 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
Err the city would operate the line, and fwiw the state doesn't collect a penny from property taxes.
Also the water campus and private development are not moving forward because of the rail line. They are moving forward already or because developers believe they can make money now. The light rail at best won't be finished until 2021. You have things backwards.
Also the water campus and private development are not moving forward because of the rail line. They are moving forward already or because developers believe they can make money now. The light rail at best won't be finished until 2021. You have things backwards.
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Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:02 pm to jack6294
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Should be a monorail and loop down river road
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:34 pm to doubleb
The reason a bus line fails is the same reason car traffic sucks, they have to share the same lanes of traffic. Streetcars don't necessarily need to. Light rail is great because they don't get stuck in the same traffic cars do.
In my opinion, the discussion isn't whether or not this would be a good thing for Baton Rouge, because it absolutely will be. The discussion should be centered around if it is a good deal. Is the benefit worth the cost? If the money is all federal and private, then yes.
While this project seems limited, remember, it's just the start. The nicholson line goes in first, then the commuter rail between NOLA and BR, then the mid-city line connectin the two, then both lines get expanded, then we get a line to the airport, then we eventually get high speed lines connecting Houston to BR to NOLA and maybe dven Lafayette. This could be the start of something great...or a boondoggle. All I know is that i'm excited to see what the future holds.
In my opinion, the discussion isn't whether or not this would be a good thing for Baton Rouge, because it absolutely will be. The discussion should be centered around if it is a good deal. Is the benefit worth the cost? If the money is all federal and private, then yes.
While this project seems limited, remember, it's just the start. The nicholson line goes in first, then the commuter rail between NOLA and BR, then the mid-city line connectin the two, then both lines get expanded, then we get a line to the airport, then we eventually get high speed lines connecting Houston to BR to NOLA and maybe dven Lafayette. This could be the start of something great...or a boondoggle. All I know is that i'm excited to see what the future holds.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:45 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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30% of their expenses from fares alone.
Uh. Who pays for the other 70%?
What does this streetcar offer that busses dont?
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:47 pm to Asgard Device
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What does this streetcar offer that busses dont?
There's a name for it... Desire
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:47 pm to kingbob
Also, Baton Rouge used to have a streetcar 70 years ago. It, like many other cities, was a victim of a conspiracy (which has been proven correct). A partnership of GM, tire-makers, and road builders made a shell transit company in the 40s which lobbied public officials so they could buy streetcar lines from municipalities and replace them with busses. The people protested and even brought suit, but it was too late. By 1960, most streetcar lines had been replaced by busses.
The popular streetcars were replaced with shite busses on purpose, to force commuters to buy cars or else have to rely on their inconsistent bus lines. With the development of the interstate highway system and the lack of reliable public transportation, urban sprawl and the car culture developed out of necessity, and was only accelerated by white flight from integrated school systems.
We're only now beginning to realize what we lost.
GM streetcar conspiracy
The popular streetcars were replaced with shite busses on purpose, to force commuters to buy cars or else have to rely on their inconsistent bus lines. With the development of the interstate highway system and the lack of reliable public transportation, urban sprawl and the car culture developed out of necessity, and was only accelerated by white flight from integrated school systems.
We're only now beginning to realize what we lost.
GM streetcar conspiracy
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:49 pm to Asgard Device
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What does this streetcar offer that busses dont?
They don't have to share lanes with cars, making them less susceptible to being stuck in the same traffic jams.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:50 pm to BottomlandBrew
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It's the old urban planning chicken/egg problem. People won't move there because there aren't services. Services won't invest there because there aren't people. Eventually someone has to take a gamble.
With the water campus in the design phase, and a few other private developments on paper, I think this is a good gamble.
You make a good point. However, I think the better option would be a light rail down Government to service mid city. If the implementation is successful, then I could see Nicholson being viable for promoting future growth.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:51 pm to Asgard Device
Only thing Ive seen said is that its not in the traffic lane. The counter to this is that the streetcar will be slow. It will also have to stop multiple times to let people off and to let traffic cross. It wont be any faster than the buses.
If the people building this are going to rely on LSU students to be the driving force behind it, it will fail. The drunk buses were free and still no one rode on them. Now you want these same people to pay to get on another form of public transportation? Wont happen.
Kingbob has this as a start to a super rail connecting Houston. Do you think the funding will continue to come in if the 1st piece is deemed a failure?
I think the idea is 'cool' but I think its too much money which could be used elsewhere at the moment.
If the people building this are going to rely on LSU students to be the driving force behind it, it will fail. The drunk buses were free and still no one rode on them. Now you want these same people to pay to get on another form of public transportation? Wont happen.
Kingbob has this as a start to a super rail connecting Houston. Do you think the funding will continue to come in if the 1st piece is deemed a failure?
I think the idea is 'cool' but I think its too much money which could be used elsewhere at the moment.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:53 pm to Bmath
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You make a good point. However, I think the better option would be a light rail down Government to service mid city. If the implementation is successful, then I could see Nicholson being viable for promoting future growth.
This would be way more useful in a number of ways. The people in that area would use it. It could lead to other places getting the rail because the initial rail wasnt a failure.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:55 pm to kingbob
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They don't have to share lanes with cars, making them less susceptible to being stuck in the same traffic jams.
They also have greater capacity... so to answer, capacity + reliability
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:00 pm to mmonro3
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This is a bad idea. LSU students will not use this long term because it runs through the ghetto.
Im actually looking at some property right now in "the ghetto". I plan on sitting on it in case this actually happens. I'm sure as hell not the only one doing this.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:01 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
Also something that really perturbs me about the "why not buses argument" is that, if that were the case, why do cities all over the world and country not just go to buses as well? The arrogance of Louisiana's people to think we're so much smarter when we in fact rank near last in every objective metic is absurd. Maybe we should start to take note? Of course we won't and then those people will be the first to start a "baton rouge sucks" thread.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:20 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
I dont think anyone is thinking we are smarter than the world. Seems that the people in here are saying its a very expensive project and the route is poor.
buses
buses
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:46 pm to Lake Vegas Tiger
quote:This is already being designed right now.
Waste of money, how about using that money to widen Nicholson instead
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:51 pm to doubleb
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Should this go on the wish list with dredging the lakes, building a new zoo, a SBR library, a new prison, a new mental health facility, a loop, Pecue
interchange, widening I-10, and a new bridge????
Each of these items come from different departments and budgets. Money is not pooled like you think it is. WTF does Baton Rouge have to do with widening state interstate?
Posted on 1/30/16 at 1:56 pm to torrey225
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This is already being designed right now.
Are you involved in some kind of way with this project?
Posted on 1/30/16 at 2:01 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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They also have greater capacity
You can add or subtract busses to suit your needs and to adjust to fluctuations in demand. $100m buys a whole bunch of busses.
Autonomous cars will render this thing obsolete in 15 years. I feel like these projects are nice but are just ways to subsidize the development of politically connected peoples' property. I noticed that Congressman Graves' brother in law, who lives in Ohio has been named realtor for all those water campus deals.
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 1/30/16 at 2:05 pm to Asgard Device
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What does this streetcar offer that busses dont?
No one wants to ride on a bus. When the streetcar on St Charles was switched to buses due to construction, I decided to not bother to even use the bus. Buses suck.
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