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re: Baton Rouge, Louisiana is now off of the hook
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:07 am to The Pirate King
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:07 am to The Pirate King
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the GF's account of what happened.
well we hear the cop yell "I told him not to reach! I told him to get his hand out!"
the GF says the cop told him to get his license, the cop obviously disputes that
so we have some of the cops side
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:08 am to slackster
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Seriously I disagree with this.
Yay America.
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I asked earlier in this thread and got no response, but how likely is it that a person is going to declare they've got a weapon on them and a CCL and still decide to use it on the cop? Those two thought processes are polar opposites.
It's unlikely, but it's stupid to not listen to what you're told to do. I don't expect a cop to risk his life when you decide to not listen.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:08 am to The Pirate King
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Is this real life? Watch him pull a gun on you before shooting him? Wtf
This isn't the movies where the cops are quick-draw McGraw and can headshot the assailants on command.
This also isn't the movies where criminals draw and fire on target either.
While I don't advocate for police to risk their lives unnecessarily, we can't live in a world where police can kill people to minimize even highly unlikely risk. It's insane.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:10 am to LNCHBOX
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It's unlikely, but it's stupid to not listen to what you're told to do. I don't expect a cop to risk his life when you decide to not listen.
If this is the standard, then the duty on cops to be clear with their directions has to be absolute and otherwise punished harshly.
Ambiguity should be entirely unacceptable if confused non-compliance is an acceptable basis for death.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:10 am to slackster
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I asked earlier in this thread and got no response, but how likely is it that a person is going to declare they've got a weapon on them and a CCL and still decide to use it on the cop? Those two thought processes are polar opposites.
Not to mention it flies in the face of the NRA's running point that law abiding, legally owned firearms are NOT the ones used in most crimes. In this case we've got a guy with a CCL who informs the LEO. If the narrative is true about who uses guns in crimes (and I think it is) then one would assume it's far less likely a legally owned firearm and one announced to the LEO beforehand will suddenly be turned on him.
Sort of can't have it both ways...
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:11 am to Pettifogger
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While I don't advocate for police to risk their lives unnecessarily, we can't live in a world where police can kill people to minimize even highly unlikely risk. It's insane.
why can't people just comply.
everyone is a smartass now a days and doesn't want to follow an order.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:11 am to LNCHBOX
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I don't expect a cop to risk his life when you decide to not listen.
I expect a cop to confirm before taking a life
I wish we could see how the guy was acting
if he was acting aggressive my position would change
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:11 am to tylercsbn9
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Part of the reason I think race baiters pick shite martyrs is they are more divisive. They can play the us versus them. They won't be able to do that in Minnesota because the them will be very, very small.
Not part of the reason, it's the entire reason. There is no story without division. The media is worried about ratings, not the truth. That's not some conspiracy theory, it's a fact. If they can't find a divisive angle, it will go away. That being said, this will still be a story because it's still cop vs black and cops have shown unrelenting support for their brethren in most cases. They're ALMOST as blind to the truth as BLM, and this thread is a perfect example. Guys like RebelGator are certain there is a good reason for the kill.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:11 am to Pettifogger
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then the duty on cops to be clear with their directions has to be absolute and otherwise punished harshly.
I have no issue with that. If the cop in this video gave unclear commands and shot this guy, he should absolutely be punished harshly.
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Ambiguity should be entirely unacceptable if confused non-compliance is an acceptable basis for death.
Again, I agree.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:11 am to Nado Jenkins83
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why can't people just comply.
he might have just been confused and misunderstood the cop
we don't know
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:12 am to Salmon
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I expect a cop to confirm before taking a life
So wait for the weapon to be out and in the hands of the person already not listening to your commands? Nah.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:12 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:holy frick. How do some of you come up with shite like this in these threads.
Not to mention it flies in the face of the NRA's running point that law abiding, legally owned firearms are NOT the ones used in most crimes. In this case we've got a guy with a CCL who informs the LEO. If the narrative is true about who uses guns in crimes (and I think it is) then one would assume it's far less likely a legally owned firearm and one announced to the LEO beforehand will suddenly be turned on him.
Sort of can't have it both ways..
Gotdamn.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:12 am to Salmon
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he might have just been confused and misunderstood the cop
And if that's the case, the cop should be punished.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:13 am to LNCHBOX
quote:aka - gas station shooting.
he might have just been confused and misunderstood the cop
And if that's the case, the cop should be punished.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:14 am to Salmon
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we don't know
All we know is what happened when it was over. I don't know why everyone assumes the passenger's story is accurate.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:15 am to Nado Jenkins83
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why can't people just comply.
everyone is a smartass now a days and doesn't want to follow an order.
Without watching a video of what happened, I find it troubling you assume the very panicky cop is automatically in the right because he has a badge and a gun.
With that said I would like to see a dash cam video of what happened, assuming it's not being run through a degaussing machine at the moment. What are the odds the video sees the light of day? Also, I don't think I will watch this video already posted. I need to see any other people dying before my eyes. I sleep well enough already.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:16 am to NYNolaguy1
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Without watching a video of what happened, I find it troubling you assume the very panicky cop is automatically in the right because he has a badge and a gun.
Where did he say the cop was in the right?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:16 am to Salmon
Does anyone know if the officer had a body cam that would have caught the conversation and actions beforehand?
It looks pretty bad right now, but if he was asked not ot move after telling him about the gun then it looks less bad for the cop.
This seems like a much more legit case than Baton Rouge.
It looks pretty bad right now, but if he was asked not ot move after telling him about the gun then it looks less bad for the cop.
This seems like a much more legit case than Baton Rouge.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:16 am to OysterPoBoy
It's interesting the NRA hasn't said a word, especially since this guy was a CC owner.
they usually jump out of their chairs to defend CC owners
they usually jump out of their chairs to defend CC owners
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:17 am to tylercsbn9
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Does anyone know if the officer had a body cam that would have caught the conversation and actions beforehand?
Someone at the top of a few pages ago said there is no body cam. I haven't seen that anywhere though.
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