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re: Baton Rouge, Louisiana is now off of the hook
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:53 am to noonan
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:53 am to noonan
I'm just curious why he would be reaching for his firearm if he told the cop "Hey officer, I have a CC in this vehicle at the moment".
Typically the officer will respond "Where is the firearm located at the moment" (I would assume the glovebox).
I'd love to know the exchange before the passenger started recording. Sadly we'll never know that because the officer didn't have a body cam on him.
Typically the officer will respond "Where is the firearm located at the moment" (I would assume the glovebox).
I'd love to know the exchange before the passenger started recording. Sadly we'll never know that because the officer didn't have a body cam on him.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:54 am to Salmon
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reaching for gun? yes
but just reaching/moving? no
I have no problem with the officer assuming you're going for a gun if it's known you have a gun. How many times are you going to change this to try to get me to agree with you?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:54 am to Pettifogger
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Whatever you do, don't back away and watch, make sure you go ahead and kill him to be sure
Is this real life? Watch him pull a gun on you before shooting him? Wtf
This isn't the movies where the cops are quick-draw McGraw and can headshot the assailants on command.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:54 am to The Pirate King
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It's believable to you that her BF slowly declared he was a concealed carry holder, cop asked for his CCL, then he tells cop that he's getting license and slowly puts hand towards pocket with license, then cop shoots him 4 times? That makes zero sense
I believe what happened is that the BF told cop he had a gun in the car and was a CC, cop drew and said don't move, BF, either in confusion or whatever reached to get license and cop paniced and shot
I don't know that this is the way it happened, but it seems like the most logical to me
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:55 am to LNCHBOX
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How many times are you going to change this to try to get me to agree with you?
I haven't changed anything...(?)
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:56 am to Pigfeet
Her child trying to calm her down may be the sweetest thing I've ever heard. I'm about to be a father to a daughter and I'm getting soft.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:56 am to The Pirate King
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It's believable to you that her BF slowly declared he was a concealed carry holder, cop asked for his CCL, then he tells cop that he's getting license and slowly puts hand towards pocket with license, then cop shoots him 4 times? That makes zero sense
You've added quite a bit of your own narrative here that is not what people are saying, but actually yes. Cops are not always very calm, cool, and collected in spite of their training.
According to the story, the guy says he has a CCR, and the cop told him not to reach for his gun. Then the cop asked him to get his license and registration, to which the victim responded by reaching to his wallet. Cops freaks and shoots him.
That is not believable to you?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:57 am to Salmon
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had a gun in the car and was a CC, cop drew and said don't move
That doesn't make sense. Why would a cop draw just because someone declares they're a CC holder? If they did, there would be a lot of pissed off CC holders out there.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:57 am to LNCHBOX
Cop got scared and panicked
It's unfortunate, but if the story is all true, then cop will do jail time for this one.
Most of the problems(not mike brown cases) with these, are cops getting scared. Some, like the dude in SC, was just an old school, dirty cop. Majority are scared to death of the Black Community these days.
Last year my Father was on the force, his buddy who was a Lt., had to yell at his guys, because they wouldn't get out of cars, or would wait to respond until another car showed up.
His LT buddy was in a meeting and they asked him why his guys aren't writing tickets, he said,"Tickets??? i can't get them to get out of their f'in cars, and you want tickets?"
It's unfortunate, but if the story is all true, then cop will do jail time for this one.
Most of the problems(not mike brown cases) with these, are cops getting scared. Some, like the dude in SC, was just an old school, dirty cop. Majority are scared to death of the Black Community these days.
Last year my Father was on the force, his buddy who was a Lt., had to yell at his guys, because they wouldn't get out of cars, or would wait to respond until another car showed up.
His LT buddy was in a meeting and they asked him why his guys aren't writing tickets, he said,"Tickets??? i can't get them to get out of their f'in cars, and you want tickets?"
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:58 am to The Pirate King
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That doesn't make sense. Why would a cop draw just because someone declares they're a CC holder? If they did, there would be a lot of pissed off CC holders out there.
plenty of posters have already confirmed that this is standard practice for police
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:59 am to Pigfeet
As I posted in the AS thread.....
Going to be interested to see if the media pivots to what looks like an actual injustice in Minnesota and stops worry about this nonsense in Baton Rouge.
Reason it'll be interesting is because the MN looks like a case that will be way less divisive. I think 99% of people will be against the cop. In contrast, BR is much closer to a 50-50 split.
Part of the reason I think race baiters pick shite martyrs is they are more divisive. They can play the us versus them. They won't be able to do that in Minnesota because the them will be very, very small.
Going to be interested to see if the media pivots to what looks like an actual injustice in Minnesota and stops worry about this nonsense in Baton Rouge.
Reason it'll be interesting is because the MN looks like a case that will be way less divisive. I think 99% of people will be against the cop. In contrast, BR is much closer to a 50-50 split.
Part of the reason I think race baiters pick shite martyrs is they are more divisive. They can play the us versus them. They won't be able to do that in Minnesota because the them will be very, very small.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:00 am to The Pirate King
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That doesn't make sense. Why would a cop draw just because someone declares they're a CC holder? If they did, there would be a lot of pissed off CC holders out there.
I posted before that this is exactly what happened to my dad. In places where people don't grow up with guns, it freaks them out.
With my dad, he got pulled over for running a stop sign, declared to the cop he was legally carrying (which you are required by law to do), and the cop drew down and called for a bunch of backup.
My dad and his ACLU rep got a nice apology from the chief of police, but that doesn't change the fact that he probably could have been shot quickly by a cop on edge.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:02 am to LNCHBOX
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I have no problem with the officer assuming you're going for a gun if it's known you have a gun.
Seriously I disagree with this. I asked earlier in this thread and got no response, but how likely is it that a person is going to declare they've got a weapon on them and a CCL and still decide to use it on the cop? Those two thought processes are polar opposites.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:03 am to Pigfeet
does the video actually show the shooting? or just the aftermath.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:04 am to Salmon
For some police.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:04 am to gorillacoco
Just the aftermath, and the GF's account of what happened.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:04 am to gorillacoco
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does the video actually show the shooting? or just the aftermath.
aftermath.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:05 am to LNCHBOX
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have no problem with the officer assuming you're going for a gun if it's known you have a gun.
How does one then reach for anything and not have the cop assume they aee reaching for the gun?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:05 am to bwallcubfan
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Her child trying to calm her down may be the sweetest thing I've ever heard. I'm about to be a father to a daughter and I'm getting soft.
Yeah the sweet innocence of a child is incredibly powerful.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:06 am to slackster
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I have no problem with the officer assuming you're going for a gun if it's known you have a gun.
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Seriously I disagree with this. I asked earlier in this thread and got no response, but how likely is it that a person is going to declare they've got a weapon on them and a CCL and still decide to use it on the cop? Those two thought processes are polar opposites.
This. A CCL carrier is going to pull a gun on a cop with a kid & gf in the car after owning up to the fact that he's carrying??
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