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re: Bars in Florida are Gun Free Zones
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:46 pm to RIPMachoMan
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:46 pm to RIPMachoMan
Why didn't they do that in this case before he got off over 100 rounds? Changing a mag is changing a mag.
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Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:46 pm to gatorrocks
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It would definitely been mass panic and I'm sure I probably wouldn't have been able to get a shot off even with the tactical training I've had (Bushido Tactical in Orlando is great, BTW) without hitting others.
I'm going with bullshite.
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That said, what would have happened if there was 5 guys carrying? I'm sure cross fire would have happened and people would have been killed.
Thank you
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But a funny thing happens when criminals start to get shot at (if you've ever studied it), they turn into victims and panic just as much.
This is a guy on a murder suicide mission, not some Crackhead robbing a gas station. The crackhead and 99.9% of American criminals have some sort of self preservation instinct, but it is gone from these psychopaths.
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So while I probably would have died trying to save myself, I would have at least tried if I wasn't one of the first guys to get shot. And maybe, just maybe, it would have been much less than 50.
I'm going with no.
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I mean, it's not like concealed carry holders have never prevented a crime before, right? Nah. No evidence of that.
I'd bet serious cash not in a nightclub or crowded music venue.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:48 pm to PatDyesPants
I have zero problem with them being gun free, but I do prefer a dance club that pats down patrons and has armed security. As many fist fights that occur at bars, I'm thankful they don't progress into a shootout. I do think they should be heavily secured at the entrance with several one way exit doors for egress.
I would be ok with permit holders that aren't drinking being allowed to carry, such as designated drivers, but there needs to be a means to police the fact they aren't partaking. I don't know how to do that without making them a mark though.
I would be ok with permit holders that aren't drinking being allowed to carry, such as designated drivers, but there needs to be a means to police the fact they aren't partaking. I don't know how to do that without making them a mark though.
This post was edited on 6/12/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:49 pm to civiltiger07
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Changing a mag is changing a mag.
I would think it would be quicker to reload an AR, but again we are talking hypotheticals. This guy was ready and probably practiced like a mad man before actually going through with it.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:50 pm to civiltiger07
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Why didn't they do that in this case before he got off over 100 rounds? Changing a mag is changing a mag.
Oh yeah, a venue that's dark and loud as shite, people are going to rationally realize during a mass shooting that the guy is changing a mag and exactly how much time it should take him to reload that mag to charge at him.
You people really are a special bunch, and quite frankly insulting to the victims.
This post was edited on 6/12/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:50 pm to JumpingTheShark
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Same thing I said in the other thread. It is fricked up to make a politically charged thread immediately after an attack like this. POS.
Cry about it pussy. Guess who said this earlier today:
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"This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, in a house of worship, or in a movie theater or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be. To actively do nothing is a decision as well."
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:51 pm to AUbagman
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I have zero problem with them being gun free, but I do prefer a dance club that pats down patrons and has armed security.
After this event, it could may become more common.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:52 pm to OMLandshark
I'm confused. Seems you agree with me on tackling the killer when he is changing a mag.
You talking about me?
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You people really are a special bunch, and quite frankly insulting to the victims.
You talking about me?
This post was edited on 6/12/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:54 pm to RIPMachoMan
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True, but I think the crowd would pounce on him while trying to reload that bad boy
Both could theoretically have the same capacity. Much harder to have a 30 round magazine in the .30-06 but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
However, the .30-06 has a much harder recovery making the AR an "easier" gun to shoot.
And don't kid yourself. Not too many people at that type of club are going to be running at that guy.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:55 pm to PatDyesPants
You can't legally carry a firearm into a bar in Louisiana.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:56 pm to civiltiger07
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I'm confused. Seems you agree with me on tackling the killer when he is changing a mag.
Because it was sarcasm. No one here would know what the frick to do in this situation. None of us would really be able to comprehend what was going on for the first 3 or 4 seconds, and then some of us would be running, others would be hitting the floor leading to being trampled on, but I can just about assure you no one would be thinking "Oh hey, he's firing an AR 15, and he's now let off 100 rounds, which gives him 4 seconds to reload. Let's charge him, save everyone, and be heroes!" Utterly ridiculous and insulting.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 1:59 pm to OMLandshark
Yea that was pretty much my point I was making a few post ago.
Still waiting for your reply here:
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Still waiting for your reply here:
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Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:00 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm going with bullshite.
Wait, what? I said I WOULDN'T have been able to get a round off. Read bro.
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Thank you
You're welcome?
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This is a guy on a murder suicide mission, not some Crackhead robbing a gas station. The crackhead and 99.9% of American criminals have some sort of self preservation instinct, but it is gone from these psychopaths.
Maybe. But even James Holmes ran from the scene after the Aurora shootings.
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I'm going with no.
Cool.
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I'd bet serious cash not in a nightclub or crowded music venue.
You sure?
In Winnemucca, Nev., in 2008, Ernesto Villagomez killed two people and wounded two others in a bar filled with 300 people. He was then shot and killed by a patron who was carrying a gun (and had a concealed-carry license).
Should I give you my paypal address?
Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:02 pm to OMLandshark
If several people are carrying in a nightclub and you draw your weapon to take down a shooter you're probably going to get shot yourself.
Someone else is going to hear shots and see you firing a gun and draw on you thinking they're saving the day. It would be mayhem. It might save a few lives but it's not a great solution imo.
Someone else is going to hear shots and see you firing a gun and draw on you thinking they're saving the day. It would be mayhem. It might save a few lives but it's not a great solution imo.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:07 pm to dbeck
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Someone else is going to hear shots and see you firing a gun and draw on you thinking they're saving the day. It would be mayhem. It might save a few lives but it's not a great solution imo.
Would you say it is a better situation than what just happened in Orlando?
Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:09 pm to Slinky
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You can't legally carry a firearm into a bar in Louisiana
Actually you can but you'll need to do a bit of reading to know when and why you're wrong.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:09 pm to OMLandshark
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Because it was sarcasm. No one here would know what the frick to do in this situation. None of us would really be able to comprehend what was going on for the first 3 or 4 seconds, and then some of us would be running, others would be hitting the floor leading to being trampled on, but I can just about assure you no one would be thinking "Oh hey, he's firing an AR 15, and he's now let off 100 rounds, which gives him 4 seconds to reload. Let's charge him, save everyone, and be heroes!" Utterly ridiculous and insulting.
Exactly
Assume this is bogies's 1am on a Thursday. You absolutely tanked, grinding with some fatty on the dance floor and all of sudden everyone just start running or hitting the deck.
Even if you wanted to play hero you not likely in the spot to do so.
A packed bar is shooting fish in barrell brought to life.
This post was edited on 6/12/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:11 pm to dbeck
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If several people are carrying in a nightclub and you draw your weapon to take down a shooter you're probably going to get shot yourself. Someone else is going to hear shots and see you firing a gun and draw on you thinking they're saving the day. It would be mayhem. It might save a few lives but it's not a great solution imo.
I agree. Problem is, you're just a sitting duck otherwise. Really isn't a good answer here.
Even trained officers would have done the same thing (shot anyone returning fire on the gunman).
I probably would have panicked like everyone else and I may have tried to return fire, but who the frick knows.
The only advantage I have is some training at Bushido in Orlando. They don't really teach mass shooting control at those things. Just hide and cover type of stuff which may have helped.
Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:28 pm to civiltiger07
He won't reply to such a question, it doesn't ft his narrative. We need to ban pistol grips and vented barrels 
Posted on 6/12/16 at 2:31 pm to gatorrocks
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I probably would have panicked like everyone
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