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re: Average wait time to see a doctor in US as new patient is 26 days minimum

Posted on 7/16/23 at 6:47 am to
Posted by GeauxWrek
Somewhere b/w Houston and BR
Member since Sep 2010
4293 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 6:47 am to
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While medical school classes have increased over that time the actual federal funding for training these new doctors has remained static. Direct your ire at the government, not some nebulous board of doctors hiding out in a dimly lit board room conspiring to keep doctor salaries high.
Wait a minute, are you telling me that our all knowing and caring government is creating a crisis? Why on earth would they do such a thing?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
6796 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:08 am to
Our Country is so unhealthy and riddled with things like Obesity and Diabetes. Other countries have much healthier populations. Also, Illegal Immigrants use hospital emergency rooms as their Primary Care doctors another thing most other countries don’t have to deal with. When you combine all these things it is why our healthcare is so expensive and inefficient. Get rid of the fatties and Illegal Immigrants clogging up our healthcare systems and we would have first class healthcare here in cost and efficiency.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:11 am to
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There was a discussion on wait times in socialized medicine on here recently,


There will be more wait times with socialized medicine, because the government saves by rationing care.

Your upscale doctors office will become walmart. Congrats.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3160 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:19 am to
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Also most people want to retire early.


Covid and its economic consequences also pushed out a lot of older, boomer doctors. Even more boomers will be leaving the workforce in the near future and also the amount of patients will be spiking as boomers reach the age where they begin to have more medical problems.

It’s going to get worse.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:23 am to
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. Also, Illegal Immigrants use hospital emergency room


And people with no insurance even though its virtually free to poor people.

When single payer comes on line, you'll be months to see a doctor and it will be like shopping in Walmart or the Dollar Store.

Canada sends some of their cases here to Juneau, from the adjacent areas.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
8164 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:24 am to
Yet people continue to choose to be fat slobs
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:25 am to
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It’s going to get worse.


Mine retired, she was horrible and will not be missed in the long term but in the numbers game it will suck for a bit as patients try to assimilate elsewhere.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3160 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:29 am to
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knowing and caring government is creating a crisis


It’s naive to think physician groups and organizations haven’t played a role in influencing government policy. It’s another example of licensing originally protecting the consumer but evolving into protectionism.

It obviously isn’t any one thing, which makes fixing everything very complex.

Doctors leave school with an average of $200K-$250K of debt. Outside of their control, they are paid by what they DO to patients. The higher paying specialties do procedures. You can encourage med students to go into primary care until you’re blue in the face, but they aren’t stupid.

They way doctors are paid has to change, among with a lot of other things.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16222 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:30 am to
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Now do female med students now versus 20 years ago. I heard a number that to get the productivity over the life of a medical career you’d need 1.5 females for every male doctor.


This is very true.

Female MD’s work shorter hours, do part time work more often, and retire earlier than males. They are just as capable, make better grades on average - but usually begin to adjust their work schedule when kids arrive.

Of my “group of friends” in medical school - many of them were female. Over half of them retired from medicine by age 40, some of them do part time or online medical care, and only one of them is a full time surgeon. I don’t know any of my male classmates that retired or work part time and we are in our 50’s.

Not to mention, the push for medical school historically has been get the best and the hardest working people who don’t require mental health days. In house call used to be q3-4 days with no days off in training. For the last 20+ years they get a full day off after every call. We are teaching our doctors to have a better work life balance which is great for THAT doctor but not great for the community.

Add to that the push for diversity in medical school applicants - it will only get worse.

It USED to be like a navy seal team approach (not as hard but it’s a metaphor). Let’s work these guys until they almost drop and see who has the stamina to do the job well over the long term.

We don’t do that anymore and it will show.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:34 am to
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It’s naive to think physician groups and organizations haven’t played a role in influencing government policy



Medical lobbies dominate the top ten.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15867 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 8:23 am to
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Covid and its economic consequences also pushed out a lot of older, boomer doctors. Even more boomers will be leaving the workforce in the near future and also the amount of patients will be spiking as boomers reach the age where they begin to have more medical problems.


Demographics is destiny.

Demand will increase. Supply will diminish.

Posted by Paco_taco
Dallas, Tx
Member since Apr 2012
1361 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 8:52 am to
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one month wait (in Frisco

I had the same issue with an ent for my ear. Woke up one morning and could not hear out of my right ear. GP couldn’t see me that day so I called telescopes who put me on a steroid. Didn’t work. So I went to the er at the end of the steroid. They didn’t see anything and gave me some ent to follow up with. Took 3 weeks to get in. Now I’m trying to save my hearing with injections in my eardrum but they don’t know if it’ll work. So much for insurance moving you in faster.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71133 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 8:56 am to
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New patient vs existing patient and a lot of the problems are that a number of docs have retired or moved for a variety of reasons including age, problems with insurance carriers, and frustrations with the landscape since ObamaCare fricked with everything.



We have the worst of all worlds. We pay for a capitalist system and get a socialist system.
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
1640 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:04 am to
"New patient vs existing patient and a lot of the problems are that a number of docs have retired or moved for a variety of reasons including age, problems with insurance carriers, and frustrations with the landscape since ObamaCare fricked with everything."

I just switched insurance companies, due to a job change, and I have been going through this for weeks now. I live in Atlanta, and here are some observations:
* about 80% of doctors available are Asian
* I wanted a male doctor who had at least 10 yrs experience. Wait time: 2 months.
* any doctor available within the next two weeks was less than 1 yr out of residency.
* all customer service and new patient support lines offered terrible and unprofessional service.

By the way, this trend has very little to do with Obama Care (not a fan). For most American's doctors, the crush of insurance company rules and regulations has chased American males away from medicine. Chinese and Indian doctors have taken over.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:05 am to
Link?
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:05 am to
It’s weird watching a poster slip into dementia in real time
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14468 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:05 am to
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We have the greatest healthcare in the world. Provided you can afford it.

Or if you cant afford it just walk right into the emergency room and be seen immediately by a doctor and dont even have to worry about any major type of bill.
Posted by Knuckle Checker
Member since Jan 2019
255 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:15 am to
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Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia were the countries with the best healthcare. The United States ranked at 11, placing it at the bottom of this list. The Commonwealth Fund regularly ranks the best healthcare in the world. The United States has come in last in 2006, 2007, 2010, 2014, 2017, and 2021.


You really believe this?
It’s socialist propaganda manipulating the numbers. Did you ever ask why cancer outcomes aren’t included in the data? Or why “access to care” for minorities is?

Or if you can’t figure that out you could simply recognize that no one you have ever known has gone to Norway, the Netherlands, or Australia to seek out a specialist.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120288 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:19 am to
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Average wait time to see a doctor in US as new patient is 26 days minimum


Lol

All our clinics have a couple slots for same day appointments and that includes new patients
Posted by LSUTigerDoc
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
580 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 10:33 am to
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Average wait time to see a doctor in US as new patient is 26 days minimum


So which is it? An “average” or a “minimum”?
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