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re: Austin cop involved in violent arrest of black female teacher. Update - $425K Settlement
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:48 pm to bmy
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:48 pm to bmy
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He gave her a verbal command. She quite clearly responded with something to the effect of "Do not touch me. Let me get out of the car. Do not touch me." and was then body slammed.
Go watch it again, BMY. He gave her the command, she wasn't moving, she said nothing and grabbed for her, they tussled and then she said stop touching me I will get out of the car.
To be fair, he was pretty sudden in grabbing her after saying get out of the car. This is where he was wrong. However, it was his 6 request of which she complied to one partially.
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:48 pm to TigahTeeth
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How about his life as she reaches for a weapon possibly?????
It's more dangerous for him if he is at the window when she pulls her weapon. Larger target. Gun goes off in the scuffle.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:50 pm to bisonduck
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To be fair, he was pretty sudden in grabbing her after saying get out of the car. This is where he was wrong. However, it was his 6 request of which she complied to one partially.
One of his many mistakes.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:52 pm to bmy
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It's more dangerous for him if he is at the window when she pulls her weapon. Larger target. Gun goes off in the scuffle.
Part of this has to do with compliance. In my opinion, you're lucky to get a third chance. If Police can't give directives and expect people to comply, then you have anarchy. That's the thing, at what line do you expect people to comply with LAW ENFORCEMENT? You can say these were insignificant requests but that is a red herring argument. Citizens don't get to discern what is a legitimate request. They must comply with all requests.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:53 pm to bmy
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One of his many mistakes.
That's his only mistake. That and the conversation about race after the incident but I don't know if that was the same cop.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:54 pm to bmy
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A no win situation? All he had to do was step back and lower the tension by saying something to the effect of "ma'am, would you please get out of the car or shut your door and stay in the vehicle?"
Once again...
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FIRST OFF, it's San Marcos not fricking San Marcus. Pronounce it correctly.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, do I think the officer was overly aggressive? Yes. Do I care? No. This is nothing more than a life lesson of, "don't be an a-hole."
When you are pulled over by a policeman, you never immediately exit your vehicle. If you don't understand that you probably shouldn't have a license to drive.
Next, when the officer asks you to get back in the car, put your foot back in the car, etc. just fricking do it. Don't be an a-hole and sit halfway in the car or with your leg jolting out. This isn't normal behavior and it isn't acceptable.
Finally, whomever you encounter in life, whether it be a waitress, bank teller, bar tender, valet, police officer, etc. don't say, "could you hurry up, please?" They'll rightfully never expedite the process and generally only bad things (cook wipes his arse with your hamburger, bartender blows snot in your drink, valet drives with your parking breaks on, etc) can happen. This goes back to my general theme of, "don't be an a-hole."
When you are pulled over (especially for something minor), generally the ball is in your court of how you want the encounter to go. So, that being said.....
Don't be an a-hole.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:54 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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am out of sympathy for these idiots who think they can mouth off to cops or resist arrest consequence-free.
/thread
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:57 pm to Grandioso
so it's okay for the officer to be overly aggressive 
that's why he was disciplined, forced to take counseling for anger issues, and forced to take related training
that's why he was disciplined, forced to take counseling for anger issues, and forced to take related training
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:58 pm to bisonduck
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Part of this has to do with compliance. In my opinion, you're lucky to get a third chance. If Police can't give directives and expect people to comply, then you have anarchy. That's the thing, at what line do you expect people to comply with LAW ENFORCEMENT? You can say these were insignificant requests but that is a red herring argument. Citizens don't get to discern what is a legitimate request. They must comply with all requests.
they have to comply with legal requests.
if an officer gives you an order and you respond "What?".. thats not resisting. if he gives you an order and you respond "are you serious? what did i do?" thats not resisting.
if he has to ask a third time it shouldn't be a big deal. if he can't deal with that kind of frustration maybe he should go flip burgers
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:59 pm to bmy
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so it's okay for the officer to be overly aggressive
that's why he was disciplined, forced to take counseling for anger issues, and forced to take related training
Read the first part of my post. I address that I think the officer was overly aggressive.
Just like the over-served that mouths off to the meathead bouncer and leaves home with a black eye, both are in the wrong. That said, the ball was in her court from the get go. She acted like an a-hole and this is the outcome. Right or wrong.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:02 pm to Grandioso
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She acted like an a-hole and this is the outcome. Right or wrong.
that's now how police should act regardless
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:04 pm to bmy
I tell my kids that anything other than yes ma'am or no ma'am and yes sir or no sir is arguing. She did neither. Therefor she at that point was resisting. And stop with the damn don't touch me shite. He's a cop! How do you arrest someone without touching them?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:06 pm to bmy
And everyone, fresh off Baton Rouge and Dallas, is ok with borderline police brutality. That video is sick. The cop could rightfully be hit with excessive force.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:08 pm to tuptiger
Excessive force? She resisted. Repeatedly. So that means he has to overpower her since she was not willing to comply with simple instructions.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:10 pm to bisonduck
He should have done a DDT on her dumb arse.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:12 pm to bmy
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they have to comply with legal requests.
His requests were legal and, no, you don't get to ask a cop if they are serious or what did I do. He said he was pulling her over for speeding and that she needed to be in the car.
As a second grade teacher running a classroom with 30 kids, she knows what it means to have to keep order.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:19 pm to TigahTeeth
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Excessive force? She resisted. Repeatedly. So that means he has to overpower her since she was not willing to comply with simple instructions.
he told her to get out and she said "Let me get out"
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:21 pm to TigahTeeth
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Therefor she at that point was resisting.
resisting what?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:22 pm to bmy
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if an officer gives you an order and you respond "What?".. thats not resisting. if he gives you an order and you respond "are you serious? what did i do?" thats not resisting.
Was she complying?
No?
She could also say these things while following the cops orders.
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