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re: Astronomers may have found giant alien 'megastructures' orbiting star
Posted on 10/15/15 at 8:29 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 10/15/15 at 8:29 pm to OMLandshark
quote:And how do you know those planets weren't put there by God?
There's lots and lots of evidence including photographs that there are other planets out there, and there are multiple worlds in our own solar system with liquid water. I think that's significantly more evidence than a specific religion being correct.
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Posted on 10/15/15 at 8:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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ThIs Great Filter nonsense has got to stop. It's just a looney toon idea some nerd cane up with while he was high.
What's interesting about the Great Filter/Fermi Paradox is that it's strictly a logical exercise. Of course there are things we don't know, the problem with not knowing is not be able to compute or comprehend. The only way to predict at this point is to take what we know and mix it with logical conclusions. That doesn't paint THE picture, but it paints a possible picture.
You have to appreciate that exercise, or offer an alternative that is as plausible which has some logical backing or proof to it.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 8:58 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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And how do you know those planets weren't put there by God?
Maybe God had divine intervention, I'm not saying that, but just to say the Universe is empty besides us is a mathematic impossibility. Mars is producing methane, and since the core of the planet is most certainly dead, the most likely explanation is that life is producing it. If this is confirmed, then it's a confirmation life is highly abundant throughout the universe. And while we won't be able to get to it anytime soon, it's highly feasible Europa and Enceladus have life on it as well. And this is just in our own solar system amongst trillions.
We just found out Pluto has storms and blue skies at dusk. That is simply incredible that I never considered would be possible. Murphy's Law makes it a certainty that there is life out there somewhere else. Murphy's Law does not dictate that a very specific religion has to be true. I believe in God, but I'm just not sure humanity has figured it out yet.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:04 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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So out of the thousands of trillions of planets in the universe, we're the only place that harbors life?
There's as much evidence for that as there is for God.
Don't tell that to the militant atheists though.
And as soon as you start saying "We don't know what aliens do or how they are structured!" Or that "We don't know what rules they follow," then this becomes more clear.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:18 pm to OMLandshark
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So out of the thousands of trillions of planets in the universe, we're the only place that harbors life?
What if we are the first?
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:24 pm to Paddyshack
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What if we are the first?
Highly unlikely given the age of the Milky Way. There are certainly species that precede Earth's most primative organisms by billions of years.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:26 pm to OMLandshark
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Highly unlikely given the age of the Milky Way. There are certainly species that precede Earth's most primative organisms by billions of years.
Based on the time (billions of years and maybe more), it's arguable many different civilizations could have come and gone throughout the Galaxy.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:28 pm to SamuelClemens
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Based on the time (billions of years and maybe more), it's arguable many different civilizations could have come and gone throughout the Galaxy.
Completely agree. I'm almost sure they have.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:36 pm to OMLandshark
Wild card line, you're on the air.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:37 pm to Freauxzen
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What's interesting about the Great Filter/Fermi Paradox is that it's strictly a logical exercise. Of course there are things we don't know, the problem with not knowing is not be able to compute or comprehend. The only way to predict at this point is to take what we know and mix it with logical conclusions. That doesn't paint THE picture, but it paints a possible picture.
You have to appreciate that exercise, or offer an alternative that is as plausible which has some logical backing or proof to it.
Well said actually.
(No sarcasm, I honestly think it's well put. I couldn't come up with a good way to say this after trying and giving up several times)
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:37 pm to OMLandshark
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Maybe they just like killing. This is just ridiculously naive, like most of your posts.
Or they may think we are delicious.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:39 pm to OMLandshark
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Based on the time (billions of years and maybe more), it's arguable many different civilizations could have come and gone throughout the Galaxy.
Completely agree. I'm almost sure they have.
There's a pretty large problem with the term "Civilization," here though. If you really mean it, you are taking that completely on faith.
Case in point, there's a big, big difference between "life," and "intelligent life," that these discussions often skirt.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:47 pm to Freauxzen
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There's a pretty large problem with the term "Civilization," here though. If you really mean it, you are taking that completely on faith.
Case in point, there's a big, big difference between "life," and "intelligent life," that these discussions often skirt.
I can see what you're saying. For all intents and purposes, ants, bees, and termites have very sophisticated societies which can almost be seen as civilizations on what we may see as an alien civilization. Its much more sophisticated than any other mammals' society save ours. It's this type of civilization that would scare me from an extraterrestrial viewpoint. If an ant-like society became large and intelligent, they'd for sure come here to murder us. I'm just hoping they have very docile human traits, and not the ambitious ones that we have.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:51 pm to OMLandshark
Maybe the galaxy is full of intelligent life and we just happen to be stuck in the backwater part of space and nobody has ever bothered coming by yet.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Maybe the galaxy is full of intelligent life and we just happen to be stuck in the backwater part of space and nobody has ever bothered coming by yet.
With an estimated 400 billion stars in our galaxy, entirely plausible.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:52 pm to OMLandshark
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I can see what you're saying. For all intents and purposes, ants, bees, and termites have very sophisticated societies which can almost be seen as civilizations on what we may see as an alien civilization. Its much more sophisticated than any other mammals' society save ours. It's this type of civilization that would scare me from an extraterrestrial viewpoint. If an ant-like society became large and intelligent, they'd for sure come here to murder us. I'm just hoping they have very docile human traits, and not the ambitious ones that we have.
True, but they aren't intelligent, which is usually the focus of these discussions, and something the Fermi Paradox tries to adjust for.
But we're still talking about little proof except the scant belief that water is out there which offers the possibility of life only, and even then, we can still be a statistical anomaly.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:53 pm to OMLandshark
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So with a near infinite amount of time on a near infinite number of planets orbitting a near infinite number of stars, how does that happen only once in a universe expanding 28 billion light years? It is mathmatically impossible we are truly alone.
This question may or may not have been posted already but here I go...if there's near infinite everything, how in the frick are they so close? Honestly, what are the odds that there is another "civilization" out there and it's so close to us?
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:55 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Honestly, what are the odds that there is another "civilization" out there and it's so close to us?
The odds are incalculable.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:57 pm to blueboy
Looks like I gotta move a lot of my stuff tonight.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 9:59 pm to Freauxzen
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But we're still talking about little proof except the scant belief that water is out there which offers the possibility of life only, and even then, we can still be a statistical anomaly.
But still, with 400 billion stars, and even more planets and moons, if we were a statistical anomaly, it would be the greatest statistical anomaly of all time. You'd be more likely to win the Powerball 100 times over than for us to be the only intelligent civilization in the galaxy... and then adding in other galaxies, it just seems impossible that there's not something else out there.
I can't disprove the Fermi Paradox, but I see no real evidence for it either. We're a mere ant hill in the middle of the woods. Just because we haven't been visited by extraterrestrials or we don't know how to contact them doesn't mean they don't exist. We just can't fathom them or have the means to establish contact unless they want to be contacted. You don't go hang with ants do you? Then why should aliens be all that interested in us?
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