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Article: There are way too many real-estate agents
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:30 am
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:30 am
While this may be true the article is simply an argument to stop people from becoming agents AKA more regulation.
Oh so like most regulatory/licensing agencies Bret wants to stifle competition and impede commerce. Got it.
Way to pull the ladder up behind you, Bret.
"Protecting the consumer" is the same line all state licensing boards use. It's such BS and how we end up with crap like people in debt up their eyeballs with student loans for jobs that shouldn't even require a license or degree. Or how people end up stuck in jobs because when the barrier to entry gets too high you stop people from potentially starting their own business.
I could say a lot about NAR and how they need to go away but they aren't wrong here. I am never for creating unnecessary barriers to entry by creating more burdens on people. At least not without a stronger case than just saying "we need to protect the consumer"
They are going to want you to have more hours of education and oversight to get a RE license than what it takes to become an LPN. This isn't about protecting the consumer as they like to spout. This is to stifle competition. The same reason it now requires you to be licensed in LA for 5 years before you can open your own brokerage. Years ago it was 2 years but all the larger brokers got mad about successful agents striking out on their own so they floated the "too many brokerages with such little time as an agent is dangerous for consumers" to raise it to 5 and stop competition.
I agree with the premise that there are too many agents but just like in 2008 as the market slows the number of agents will drop and only the top agents will be left. As it stands The top 10% of agent do like 80% of all business. A lot of agents do it part-time or just have a license to have a license. That isn't hurting anyone except it may take away a transaction here or there from the top agents that do it full time.
It's up to the consumer to research and find a good agent but don't stop people from entering a profession that they may actually be successful at.
I get the hate for RE agents but no one should ever be OK with creating barriers to entry and impeding commerce.
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Bret Weinstein, a longtime real-estate broker in Denver, wants to love his industry. At its best, the business helps people find the homes of their dreams or secure financial freedom. But lately, he's been having trouble squaring that passion with a growing problem: a glut of underqualified real-estate agents.
"It really does need an overhaul," Weinstein told me. "The general public deserves so much better than what the majority of real-estate agents provide."
The issue, Weinstein said, is that it's way too easy to become an agent. In most states, getting a license to help people buy or sell a home requires only a few hundred dollars, several weeks of coursework, and a passing grade on a multiple-choice test. The low barrier to entry and fat commission checks lure many to the industry, especially when home prices rise. In the decade-plus since the housing market started to rebound from its financial-crisis lows, the ranks of agents have swelled with part-timers and career switchers looking to capitalize on the boom. At the end of June, there were roughly 1.6 million registered Realtors in the US — or about 2 ½ Realtors for every available home on the market.
Oh so like most regulatory/licensing agencies Bret wants to stifle competition and impede commerce. Got it.
Way to pull the ladder up behind you, Bret.
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This surplus of agents is bad for both the industry and regular people in the housing market, a report from the Consumer Federation of America said last month. The low barrier to entry puts buyers and sellers at risk of ending up with dubious advice on one of the biggest transactions of their lives, while the capable agents are forced to spend inordinate amounts of time and money trying to stand out from the pack, the report said. They also waste hours dealing with incompetent colleagues as they try to get a sale across the finish line. When too many agents are fighting over too few deals, they're incentivized to keep commission rates high so they can continue to eke out a living — to the detriment of consumers.
"Protecting the consumer" is the same line all state licensing boards use. It's such BS and how we end up with crap like people in debt up their eyeballs with student loans for jobs that shouldn't even require a license or degree. Or how people end up stuck in jobs because when the barrier to entry gets too high you stop people from potentially starting their own business.
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Not everyone in the business agrees with this assessment. The National Association of Realtors, the industry's largest trade association and the entity responsible for setting the professional standards for many agents, has resisted calls to strengthen the requirements for licensure. It says that easy entry is a feature to be celebrated, not a bug — a prime example of free-market competition at work.
Both the NAR and many brokerages have incentives to keep the number of agents high, since they rely on the dues from agents to keep their businesses going. The NAR has seen its head count grow by nearly 200,000 since the start of the pandemic. But the past few years have also exposed the drawbacks of the setup: Customers grumble over high commissions for subpar service, while an increase in the number of fly-by-night agents has made it harder for those who are dedicated to the profession.
I could say a lot about NAR and how they need to go away but they aren't wrong here. I am never for creating unnecessary barriers to entry by creating more burdens on people. At least not without a stronger case than just saying "we need to protect the consumer"
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Eradicating these issues isn't feasible, but there are incremental steps that could improve things. States could raise the educational requirements for licensing, tighten the standards for passing the test, and require hands-on training, rather than leaving that aspect up to individual brokerages. Fewer agents may join the industry as a result, but ensuring that every person who buys or sells a home gets qualified, serious help to navigate the complex process could be worth it.
They are going to want you to have more hours of education and oversight to get a RE license than what it takes to become an LPN. This isn't about protecting the consumer as they like to spout. This is to stifle competition. The same reason it now requires you to be licensed in LA for 5 years before you can open your own brokerage. Years ago it was 2 years but all the larger brokers got mad about successful agents striking out on their own so they floated the "too many brokerages with such little time as an agent is dangerous for consumers" to raise it to 5 and stop competition.
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The vast majority of real-estate agents are independent contractors who rely on commissions. The flexibility of the job, promise of huge payouts, and relatively few requirements for getting started proved to be big draws earlier in the pandemic.
It's never been all that difficult to become a real-estate agent. In most states, the required education can be completed in a matter of weeks, and self-paced online courses can cost less than $100. Real-estate appraisers, Weinstein pointed out, are required to complete "substantially more training than a real-estate agent" to value a home, even though they both play key roles in the sales process. In Texas, for instance, appraisers need 150 hours of education and then 1,000 hours of supervised experience before taking a test and earning their license. To become a real-estate agent, you need 180 classroom hours but no other experience. Other states have similar disparities — Massachusetts and Michigan require just 40 hours of education, while barbers in those states must complete 1,000 hours or more. In Pennsylvania, nail technicians must finish 200 hours of education, compared with the 75 hours required of agents.
"We're the ones who are negotiating the buy, sell, all of these pieces," Weinstein said. "It's just terrible to have such a low bar."
After completing this training, many, but not all, agents choose to join the National Association of Realtors, which allows them to use the designation of "Realtor" and requires them to abide by a code of ethics. To work as an agent, they're also required to affiliate with a brokerage, which is largely responsible for training and mentoring the agent from that point forward. Some do this job well, but others focus on "quantity over quality," Weinstein, who founded the brokerage Guide Real Estate in 2018, told me. A new agent might bring in a few friends and family as clients, providing the brokerage with cuts of their commission checks. But if the agent then flounders, there's little harm for brokerages, since they don't pay the agent a salary and can look ahead to the next crop of entrants.
I agree with the premise that there are too many agents but just like in 2008 as the market slows the number of agents will drop and only the top agents will be left. As it stands The top 10% of agent do like 80% of all business. A lot of agents do it part-time or just have a license to have a license. That isn't hurting anyone except it may take away a transaction here or there from the top agents that do it full time.
It's up to the consumer to research and find a good agent but don't stop people from entering a profession that they may actually be successful at.
I get the hate for RE agents but no one should ever be OK with creating barriers to entry and impeding commerce.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:32 am to stout
It also in part has driven % accepted down imo
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:33 am to stout
There is almost 100% certainty we both know this one female realtor in the LC area. I see her picture around town pretty often.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:34 am to stout
If NAR loses its lawsuit its going to get real interesting and wipe out a lot RE buyer agents
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:34 am to Chad504boy
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It also in part has driven % accepted down imo
Which is good for the consumer
NAR fights hard to keep those percentages up even going as far as denying "discount brokerages" memberships to NAR. One reason NAR needs to go away if they truly care about the consumer.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:35 am to stout
He’s kinda got a point. It’s so bad that when someone tells me they are a real estate agent I kinda chuckle. Sometimes I ask how many deals they have closed in the last year. 1-3 is a common answer. That’s a side hobby. Not a job.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:36 am to redstick13
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There is almost 100% certainty we both know this one female realtor in the LC area. I see her picture around town pretty often.
Yes. Went to school together though she is older. She is also still my realtor and has been since she started with Lakeside Realty 20 years ago.
Saw her post on Facebook yesterday that she was the number 2 CB agent in all of America last year.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:37 am to Pax Regis
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That’s a side hobby. Not a job.
So what?
More regulation will wipe out the part-timers which is what they want. It's about greed. Not protecting consumers.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:37 am to SDVTiger
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If NAR loses its lawsuit its going to get real interesting and wipe out a lot RE buyer agents
I think they will lose.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:39 am to stout
After Remax and Coldwell Bankers settlement I agree
But they are going all in on it
Could be their demise
But they are going all in on it
Could be their demise
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:43 am to stout
There are too many agents but we don’t need tougher rules to become one. The market will sort it out.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:43 am to SDVTiger
Yea NAR will no longer be beneficial to be a member of which isn't a bad thing. NAR has too tight of a grip on things and too much lobbying power.
It will be really interesting to see percentages change if the lawsuit is successful and if NAR is no longer around to market discount brokerages as "dangerous"
It will be really interesting to see percentages change if the lawsuit is successful and if NAR is no longer around to market discount brokerages as "dangerous"
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:44 am to TejasHorn
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The market will sort it out.
It surely did in 2008-2010
There was a mass exodus
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:45 am to stout
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The issue, Weinstein said, is that it's way too easy to become an agent.
Using government to limit your competition is the idea.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:47 am to stout
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Bret Weinstein
Isn’t this the Joe rogan guy
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Using government to limit your competition is the idea.
WE MUST PROTECT THE CONSUMER, THOUGH
No one can be personally responsible these days
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:55 am to stout
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real-estate agents
Do people still not have the internet?
Posted on 10/18/23 at 8:59 am to hubertcumberdale
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Do people still not have the internet?
People are told that actually getting a house to closing is hard.
Also, there is still a need for agents. Many buyers don't want to deal with directly with the homeowner but that will change if NAR loses its current lawsuit.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:05 am to stout
If you suck at being an agent you won't last very long. Problem takes care of itself.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 9:18 am to stout
Same here..but a lot will be gone after a few years...I favor a college degree.
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