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re: Article on Rape at UVA
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:16 pm to Charlie Arglist
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:16 pm to Charlie Arglist
This will go down in history as one of the most extreme knee-jerk responses ever. Making policy based on a Rolling Stone article (a history of exaggeration and questionable journalism) is crazy.
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Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:18 pm to jbgleason
quote:
Rolling Stone
the last bastion of objective, hard hitting, ethical journalism
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:19 pm to GumBro Jackson
It's just the Jeffersonian spirit
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:28 pm to jbgleason
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This will go down in history as one of the most extreme knee-jerk responses ever. Making policy based on a Rolling Stone article (a history of exaggeration and questionable journalism) is crazy.
It's not just the article. People are popping out the woodwork now with claims of their own and corroborating stories. I have friends who went to UVA who have admitted that there was a sexual assault problem that was swept under the rug, and everyone knew about it. Which isn't to say it was a mainstream culture there, but it existed to an extent.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:39 pm to Charlie Arglist
Greek systems exists at the pleasure of the Universities. They can shut the whole thing down permanently, and a lot of people both inside and outside academia would see it as a net plus.
Greeks had better figure out that they're walking a very thin line. Every frickup, every sexual assault, every alcohol death, makes the line thinner.
Nothing lasts forever. Greeks will either adapt to the new paradigm, or they will disappear. And I say this as a Greek alum.
Greeks had better figure out that they're walking a very thin line. Every frickup, every sexual assault, every alcohol death, makes the line thinner.
Nothing lasts forever. Greeks will either adapt to the new paradigm, or they will disappear. And I say this as a Greek alum.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:42 pm to TulaneUVA
Posted on 11/23/14 at 12:54 pm to Charlie Arglist
That's a pretty meaningless suspension, they open up back in time for rush and the spring semester is much busier/better anyway. Basically they are suspended for 3 weeks and maybe lose out an a Christmas party or date function or two.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:08 pm to Charlie Arglist
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"As you are aware, I have asked the Charlottesville Police Department to investigate the 2012 assault that is described in Rolling Stone. There are individuals in our community who know what happened that night, and I am calling on them to come forward to the police to report the facts. Only you can shed light on the truth, and it is your responsibility to do so."
That's what I'm talking about. Prosecute those MFers.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:16 pm to SPE UVA
quote:I was thinking about this when I read an update of this article on Gawker yesterday. It's a pretty pointless suspension. If anything, the students will do better on finals and come back in the spring ready to party.
That's a pretty meaningless suspension, they open up back in time for rush and the spring semester is much busier/better anyway. Basically they are suspended for 3 weeks and maybe lose out an a Christmas party or date FUNCTION or two.
As far as the Rolling Stone article, it was rather disturbing to read. But the worst part was her friends trying to rationalize what happen to her. Especially when one guy made the statement "You had a bad experiences at a frat party. Stop being a little bitch about the whole thing". I can't imagine how helpless this young female felt in a completely foreign environment and with people who seemed to try to brush the entire situation off.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:32 pm to REG861
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It's not just the article. People are popping out the woodwork now with claims of their own and corroborating stories. I have friends who went to UVA who have admitted that there was a sexual assault problem that was swept under the rug, and everyone knew about it. Which isn't to say it was a mainstream culture there, but it existed to an extent.
If this is true, then I'm glad something is being done. That still doesn't explain why the punishment against a school wide problem is being exacted against a number of entities to whom the allegations may not apply in any sense. This is UVA picking the easiest target as a sacrificial lamb, and in a world where the definition of rape is being enlarged on a daily basis, it's another absurd move that'll just end up stigmatizing large swaths of people while doing nothing to get to the bottom of credible allegations of sexual assault.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:34 pm to Pettifogger
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If this is true, then I'm glad something is being done. That still doesn't explain why the punishment against a school wide problem is being exacted against a number of entities to whom the allegations may not apply in any sense. This is UVA picking the easiest target as a sacrificial lamb, and in a world where the definition of rape is being enlarged on a daily basis,
True, but the punishment isn't as bad as yall are making it out to be (at this point). Right now it's a suspension for a few weeks and is mostly symbolic, imo. Now if they went further and tried to get rid of greek life altogether, that would be absurd.
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it's another absurd move that'll just end up stigmatizing large swaths of people while doing nothing to get to the bottom of credible allegations of sexual assault.
I feel like the people who are going to indict all of Greek life for the actions of a clear minority already have their minds made up.
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:37 pm to Pettifogger
I agree, suspending all current chapters is a way to save the university's face and make it look like something is being done when in reality it has no affect on the current allegations. Assuming that this is a legitimate story, she knows at least one of the guys names and most likely she knows the second guy from her class. All they have to do is talk to one of those two guys and I'm sure they could get the names of everyone involved and prosecute accordingly. The suspension doesn't do help them do that in any way though.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:40 pm to REG861
I get that, I understand it won't practically be that bad which is why UVA can get away with it without rustling folks.
My issues are :
A) This is just furthering the general perilous nature of college life for men (those who want to do the right things but can become the victim of a system that increasingly hates them) and
B) Using fraternities as an easy target because, you know, all fraternity guys are rapists at heart. Forget that every fraternity guy I've ever known would probably murder a member who raped a girl, but it doesn't matter because we all see it on TV.
I believe sexual assault is a problem on campuses, but I can't sort through all the bullshite to get to the real story.
My issues are :
A) This is just furthering the general perilous nature of college life for men (those who want to do the right things but can become the victim of a system that increasingly hates them) and
B) Using fraternities as an easy target because, you know, all fraternity guys are rapists at heart. Forget that every fraternity guy I've ever known would probably murder a member who raped a girl, but it doesn't matter because we all see it on TV.
I believe sexual assault is a problem on campuses, but I can't sort through all the bullshite to get to the real story.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 1:41 pm to FloridaMike
quote:I don't see this happening anytime soon.
Assuming that this is a legitimate story, she knows at least one of the guys names and most likely she knows the second guy from her class. All they have to do is talk to one of those two guys and I'm sure they could get the names of everyone involved and prosecute accordingly.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:19 pm to GumBro Jackson
The part where he sees her at work and acts like nothing happened is pretty chilling.
That part almost seems made up. How could someone be that sick?
That part almost seems made up. How could someone be that sick?
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:51 pm to REG861
quote:
It's not just the article. People are popping out the woodwork now with claims of their own and corroborating stories. I have friends who went to UVA who have admitted that there was a sexual assault problem that was swept under the rug, and everyone knew about it. Which isn't to say it was a mainstream culture there, but it existed to an extent.
Bull. That is an allegation without merit, and without standing. I would suggest avoiding it in the future.
This article is straight up slander, what appalls me is that it would take a student to see that. The characterizations of the University, and of Dean Groves and Dean Eramo specifically - those are simply farcical.
I would wait for the facts to come out before people start crashing the barricades.
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I hear you but I thought from reading the article that she was about to go to the hospital but then her three friends talked her out of it for fear of not being able to go to parties in the future. Knowing the culture at UVA very well, that was odd to me.
I understand why she wouldn't want to but it sounds like she had some real shitheads giving her advice.
Those former friends have strongly disputed that version of events.
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Having attended three colleges and visiting several dozen others and seeing their social scenes, UVA does have a very strong Greek scene but I never heard of rape or sexual assault cases like being mentioned on there. The article makes it seem like everyone knows someone who got raped there and which fraternities to avoid being raped at. That's absurd.
Rape is no where near as prevalent as the article suggests
This post was edited on 11/23/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:57 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Bull. That is an allegation without merit, and without standing. I would suggest avoiding it in the future.
This article is straight up slander, what appalls me is that it would take a student to see that. The characterizations of the University, and of Dean Groves and Dean Eramo specifically - those are simply farcical.
I would wait for the facts to come out before people start crashing the barricades.
God you can almost see the classic UVA faux-elitism oozing out of the computer screen. I'll be sure to tell my UVA alum friends that their perception of what goes on at UVA is at odds with yours, and therefore wrong.
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:58 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Rape is no where near as prevalent as the article suggests
You should contact these people then
https://www.uvavictimsofrape.com/
Posted on 11/23/14 at 2:59 pm to REG861
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God you can almost see the classic UVA faux-elitism oozing out of the computer screen. I'll be sure to tell my UVA alum friends that their perception of what goes on at UVA is at odds with yours, and therefore wrong.
I would suggest writing about the things you know, not the things you've heard second hand.
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