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re: Arkansas Voted An Increase To The Min Wage - $11.00 Over 3 Years

Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:52 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:52 am to
Nah sorry. Meant for this to be quoted to the Hogs dude.

Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:56 am to
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And the worker always has THEIR best interest at heart. Just like I have my best interest at heart, you have yours, etc. that’s the way of the world. Everyone and everything is self serving.


This is correct, and exactly why government exists to begin with to say "no no just because this would be best for you, doesn't mean you can do it"

And that is what makes throwing the trash in the street the same as minimum wage laws. In both cases the government is saying "Sorry , but you can't do that, you must think of the needs of others"

And since you obviously aren't very bright, let me explain to you the first thing that McDonalds does if the government says okay no minimum wage laws.

THey go down to Mexico and recruit Mexicans to come up here and work for $4 an hour resulting in even more illegal immigration than we have now? What's that you say, we have laws to prevent illegals from coming up here and working? But you should oppose those laws because you've already indicated that you oppose laws that interfere with an employer and an employee agreeing on what they do.........
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:57 am to
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This is correct, and exactly why government exists to begin with to say "no no just because this would be best for you, doesn't mean you can do it"



Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:58 am to
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And the worker always has THEIR best interest at heart. Just like I have my best interest at heart, you have yours, etc. that’s the way of the world. Everyone and everything is self serving.


This is correct, and exactly why government exists to begin with to say "no no just because this would be best for you, doesn't mean you can do it"

And that is what makes throwing the trash in the street the same as minimum wage laws. In both cases the government is saying "Sorry , but you can't do that, you must think of the needs of others"

And since you obviously aren't very bright, let me explain to you the first thing that McDonalds does if the government says okay no minimum wage laws.

THey go down to Mexico and recruit Mexicans to come up here and work for $4 an hour resulting in even more illegal immigration than we have now? What's that you say, we have laws to prevent illegals from coming up here and working? But you should oppose those laws because you've already indicated that you oppose laws that interfere with an employer and an employee agreeing on what they do.........


You exhibit absolutely no understanding of economics
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36210 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:59 am to
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THey go down to Mexico and recruit Mexicans to come up here and work for $4 an hour resulting in even more illegal immigration than we have now? What's that you say, we have laws to prevent illegals from coming up here and working? But you should oppose those laws because you've already indicated that you oppose laws that interfere with an employer and an employee agreeing on what they do.......


You are truly an idiot. The sovereignty of a nation and artificial inflation of wages aren't similar, like at all.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37667 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:59 am to
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And that is what makes throwing the trash in the street the same as minimum wage laws. In both cases the government is saying "Sorry , but you can't do that, you must think of the needs of others"


No. Sorry. That back breaking reach doesn’t fly. They are nothing alike.

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And since you obviously aren't very bright, let me explain to you the first thing that McDonalds does if the government says okay no minimum wage laws.


Ooph buddy.

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THey go down to Mexico and recruit Mexicans to come up here and work for $4 an hour resulting in even more illegal immigration than we have now? What's that you say, we have laws to prevent illegals from coming up here and working? But you should oppose those laws because you've already indicated that you oppose laws that interfere with an employer and an employee agreeing on what they do.........


you are stretch Armstrong buddy.

Oh, and I feel the need to explain that “buddy” is an insult in this situation. I’m not really calling you my buddy. I feel like you aren’t bright enough to pick that up
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 11:00 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:11 am to
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you are stretch Armstrong buddy.


Yeah that was quite the fantasy
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91271 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:14 am to
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THis is such a lame argument

"Why not make the minimum wage $100"

Well duh frick stick because $100 an hour would make no more sense than the current $8.25 does.


They're both arbitrary, made up numbers. Tell me what the minimum wage should be and why it should be that number and not a penny more.

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36210 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:15 am to
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They're both arbitrary, made up numbers


I agree with you in theory, but we can use price indexes and such to calculate the "living wage." While arbitrary, it's not completely pulled out of thin air
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19897 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:18 am to
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I don't believe minimum wage should exist at all, so I disagree with the principle.



in theory i agree.

but, we would definitely have to shut the illegal immigration shite down to keep wages up for unskilled, construction, etc.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91271 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:19 am to
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I agree with you in theory, but we can use price indexes and such to calculate the "living wage."


Yes, but those things aren't static. If minimum wage is $20/hr, those price indexes increase.

When Federal Minimum Wage started, it was $.25 in 1938. That's less than $5/hr today, adjusted for inflation. What was the logic of $.25, and why doesn't that logic still hold today?

Like I said, I just want one supporter to tell me why it should be $X and not $X+1.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36210 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:20 am to
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Yes, but those things aren't static. If minimum wage is $20/hr, those price indexes increase.

When Federal Minimum Wage started, it was $.25 in 1938. That's less than $5/hr today, adjusted for inflation. What was the logic of $.25, and why doesn't that logic still hold today?

Like I said, I just want one supporter to tell me why it should be $X and not $X+1.




I don't disagree with any of your logic here, but youre too smart to make the disenginous arguement of "why not make it $100/hour."
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293903 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:22 am to
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but, we would definitely have to shut the illegal immigration shite down to keep wages up for unskilled, construction, etc.


Illegal immigration definitely puts downward pressure on wages, particularly for the nominally skilled
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35598 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:23 am to
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Although Arkansas should do what they want. This should absolutely be a state by state issue.


Agree. But I always find it interesting that when the minimum wage is put up to a vote of the people it passes....and when you speak to legislators in private, they are generally not against it.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19897 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:39 am to
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When Federal Minimum Wage started, it was $.25 in 1938. That's less than $5/hr today, adjusted for inflation. What was the logic of $.25, and why doesn't that logic still hold today?



min wage doesn't directly increase inflation, at least at first. during the initial year, inflation tends to go down because people are used to living on lower wages and thus save the lagniappe, i.e. relatively fewer dollars in circulation and spending staying constant.

but, once they get used to having more income they spend more, a lot more. and that's what causes it to increase rapidly in years 2-3 post increase.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36210 posts
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:42 am to
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min wage doesn't directly increase inflation, at least at first. during the initial year, inflation tends to go down because people are used to living on lower wages and thus save the lagniappe, i.e. relatively fewer dollars in circulation and spending staying constant.

but, once they get used to having more income they spend more, a lot more. and that's what causes it to increase rapidly in years 2-3 post increase.



I'm not even sure what you are blabbering about based on what you quoted
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