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re: Arkansas Voted An Increase To The Min Wage - $11.00 Over 3 Years
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:28 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:28 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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LULZ how many small business that pay the prevailing minimum wage do you really believe are competing on a global market?
A hell of a lot of manufacturing. Absolutely.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:30 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Do you even history bro? I mean seriously.
Absolutely. I love history.
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We tried that, and it resulted in the employer deciding what was fair for them and the employee either accepting it or not having a job at all.
Good thing we have a global economy now with high competition and people aren’t trapped to working in their village or town.
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What's next are you going to argue that deciding on whether a company disposes of their chemical waste by dumping it into drinking water should be up to each company rather than the government?
When your argument fails, dodge and deflect.
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We live in a society that has voted and decided that there needs to be certain checks on businesses because a business will always have THEIR best interest at heart above all else.
And the worker always has THEIR best interest at heart. Just like I have my best interest at heart, you have yours, etc. that’s the way of the world. Everyone and everything is self serving.
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Sure it would be cheaper for McDonalds to hire illegals and pay them the $4 an hour cash under the table that they would be willing to work for then to pay the government mandated W2 wage. It would also be cheaper for them to gather their garbage up every night and just toss it in the street rather than paying a garbage bill every month. That doesn't mean it would be best for everyone else though.
Man. You’re just jumping all over the place now ain’t ya boy?
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Those two arguments are exactly the same.
A contractual agreement between two consenting adults is absolutely nothing like a private company deciding to dump their waste on public land.
I’m not sure how you equated the two, but... uh... ok
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:30 am to AUCE05
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These people who think free market will solve all problems get amnesia when you bring up our industrial past.
Absolutely not, because your comparing apples to parakeets.
Did you read the link I posted above? Read that, and come back
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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When gas prices rise, people use less fuel. When wages rise, people use less labor. This is all freshman level Econ.
This is only true to a certain extent, and you know it.
Once again, the minimum wage has DECREASED in terms of real dollars by some 20% over the last 40 years but unemmployment actually INCREASED, until the last year or so anyway. Completely the opposite of what your argument says should happen.
You, nor anyone else, can actually point to a single bit of empirical evidence that proves that increasing the minimum wage by $1 each year has ANY effect on unemployment because well it's never happened. Sure you can point to Seattle or something and show that too large of an immediate increase can cause unemployment, but that is't what we're doing in Arkansas.
If you arguing that we shouldn't have a minimum wage law at all, well that's just hilarious. Do you also oppose 40 hour work week laws? How about child labor laws? OSHA? etc etc.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:32 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Buehler?
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Fix this problem:
A run-of-the-mill catfish restaurant in, say, El Dorado. Rough estimate 6 employees over 10 hours a day. Jumping from $9 to $11 is an additional $120 a day x 365 = $43,800, lets knock it down to $40k for holidays.
What do you do as the owner?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:32 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Do you even history bro? I mean seriously. We tried that, and it resulted in the employer deciding what was fair for them and the employee either accepting it or not having a job at all.
Do you? When workers were being exploited (industrial revolution) we didn't have cars, the internet, or a global economy. We were also a manufacturing and agricultural economy. Making that comparison is useless.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:32 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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LULZ how many small business that pay the prevailing minimum wage do you really believe are competing on a global market? Come on.
We’re a relatively small company. Employ under 200 people. We’re global. Have clients in China, Europe, Japan, Canada, and all over the us.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:32 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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This is only true to a certain exten
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If you arguing that we shouldn't have a minimum wage law at all, well that's just hilarious. Do you also oppose 40 hour work week laws? How about child labor laws? OSHA? etc etc.
There you go comparing incomparable things again
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:33 am to AUCE05
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These people who think free market will solve all problems get amnesia when you bring up our industrial past. "Company money", the need to create the EPA. OSHA. They view the gov as a big bad monster.
If you can't see the difference between artificially increasing the price of labor and protecting drinking water I feel bad for you.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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If you can't see the difference between artificially increasing the price of labor and protecting drinking water I feel bad for you.
It's a low IQ appeal to emotion.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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When gas prices rise, people use less fuel.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:35 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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You, nor anyone else, can actually point to a single bit of empirical evidence that proves that increasing the minimum wage by $1 each year has ANY effect on unemployment
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Sure you can point to Seattle
?????
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:36 am to Salmon
Salmon dropping knowledge !
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I don't believe minimum wage should exist at all, so I disagree with the principle.
Although Arkansas should do what they want. This should absolutely be a state by state issue.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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People move toward efficiency. Higher gas mileage, more efficient fuels. It's always been that way
Roger, come on. You're saying XYZ Exterminators in Monroe is shifting their fuel consumption/fleet to biodiesel/other based upon an increase in fuel price? What's the immediate cost on that decision to the owner's bottom line?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:46 am to Sao
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Roger, come on. You're saying XYZ Exterminators in Monroe is shifting their fuel consumption/fleet to biodiesel/other based upon an increase in fuel price? What's the immediate cost on that decision to the owner's bottom line?
I don't know about that, but any company or organization with a fleet sure as hell will be cutting fuel costs. I imagine XYZ will as well, just not as drastically as companies with fleets
You have two choices. Raise prices or control costs. Which do you think companies will look at first?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:49 am to Sao
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You're saying XYZ Exterminators in Monroe is shifting their fuel consumption/fleet to biodiesel/other based upon an increase in fuel price? What's the immediate cost on that decision to the owner's bottom line?
Absofrickinglutely companies changed their fuel consumption and found alternatives based on the price of gas.
My dads company travels across North America to plants, often driving in convoys hauling equipment and workers. He puts over 100k miles on his company truck each year.
When gas was 3-4 a gallon, they cut their convoy size in half and made them cram together 4-6 to a truck. They bought 2 biodiesel trucks for the fleet.
You were saying? Oh and it’s a mom and pop company. Not some huge international Corp or some shite
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 10:51 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:49 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:51 am to beerJeep
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Absofrickinglutely companies changed their fuel consumption and found alternatives based on the price of gas.
So do individuals. That's exactly how we ended up with compact cars
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you going to argue with these?
I agree with these, as I've stated in the tread? Unless you aren't talking to me specifically
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