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re: Arkansas case, father kills 67 year old man abusing his daughter
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We have to have rules and it's not logical to create them with perfect information after the fact and hindsight bias
There was a no contact order between pedo perp and the daughter. Pedo perp was actively absconding with her.
If pedo perp stops and tells the daughter to get out then you have a point about vigilantism. But that reads as a fluid situation to me and you’re allowed to use deadly force if you’re reasonably in fear for the life of another.
ETA: but what the frick is the DA doing charging this? Do they never want to be elected again?
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 12:34 pm
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Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm speaking in logical-legal terms, not emotional ones.
Logically we don’t have to spend money incarcerating this guy. Legally, we don’t have to spend money on a trial for this guy. So logically and legally it was an excellent amount of vigilantism.
Let me ask this question of you. Would you prefer that the father had simply apprehended the guy and handed him over to law enforcement?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:logic goes out the window when you rape someone’s daughter. Logic doesn’t seem to be working all that well in this country anymore.
I'm speaking in logical-legal terms, not emotional ones.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:42 pm to boosiebadazz
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but what the frick is the DA doing charging this?
What I said (and people are melting over). This was too far in the vigilante category.
If he had just chased the guy, he probably would have skid on the associated criminality, but all of the acts that put the
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But that reads as a fluid situation to me and you’re allowed to use deadly force if you’re reasonably in fear for the life of another.
I don't think that dog hunts, legally at least. The jurors may remake the law.
This can create a Pandora's box.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:43 pm to Penrod
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Would you prefer that the father had simply apprehended the guy and handed him over to law enforcement?
Sure. As I said in the other post, I don't think he's be prosecuted for the associated crimes with the car chase. Well, at least as long as his actions didn't harm his daughter. Then it would get tricky.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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. This was too far in the vigilante category.
Eat shite, you fricking douche.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:47 pm to LNCHBOX
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Eat shite, you fricking douche.
I mean you do realize this whole discussion presupposes that he's being prosecuted for this, right?
And we're having that specific conversation in that context, right?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What I said (and people are melting over). This was too far in the vigilante category.
I would agree if he would have went after the guy when he was released on bail but he didn't. He went after the guy when HE TOOK HIS FREAKING DAUGHTER. He did what he had to do to get his daughter back. If it meant killing the guy then so be it.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think that dog hunts, legally at least. The jurors may remake the law.
This can create a Pandora's box.
Ole boy knew pedo perp had a no contact order, knew his daughter was the only witness for the criminal charges, he sees them together, pedo perp runs.
That gives rise to a reasonable belief his daughter is in danger.
Pedo perp then gets out of the vehicle and supposedly lunges at the guy. That’s aggressive behavior that may even put dad in fear of his life.
The no contact order is what nullifies the vigilante chase for me. The state had already adjudicated that pedo perp was not to be with the daughter yet he was. Dad is ok to try and stop that situation.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:50 pm to Purplehaze
YEAH HE DESERVES TO DIE AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:52 pm to Purplehaze
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The father's name is Aaron Spencer, the case is in Lonoke County, Ar. He caught up to the man with his daughter in a truck, rammed it to make it stop, emptied his Glock 19 Gen 4 into the pedophile, pistol whipped him and then reloaded. I say good for him.
A baw doing man things.
Good for him.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What I said (and people are melting over). This was too far in the vigilante category.
Pedo actively stopped the daughter from getting out. That moves it into the defense category.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 12:58 pm to boosiebadazz
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Ole boy knew pedo perp had a no contact order, knew his daughter was the only witness for the criminal charges, he sees them together, pedo perp runs.
That gives rise to a reasonable belief his daughter is in danger.
Yes, but a reasonable belief her life is in danger? Without observable facts?
It looks like the Arkansas justfiiable homicide statute is: Here. The requirements are:
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(a) A person is justified in using deadly physical force upon another person if the person reasonably believes that the other person
(1) Committing or about to commit a felony involving physical force or violence;
(2) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force; or
(3) Imminently endangering the person's life or imminently about to victimize the person from the continuation of a pattern of domestic abuse.
B is a "stand your ground" section and C is definitions.
I don't know if Arkansas courts have interpreted what we would consider contributing to the delinquency to be a violent crime. Based on the prosecution I'm going to guess they haven't.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:01 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Pedo actively stopped the daughter from getting out.
Before or after the car chase? Assuming this is true (and credible) then the question is the same one from the post above, but with kidnapping.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think we discussed this case at length at the time of the arrest and IIRC, the issue was too much vigilantism, including a car chase. I don't remember if, at that time, it was ever revealed if the pedo guy had a gun.
Who the frick cares about any of that shite. The fricking pedo frick deserves to die. I'm glad that girl's Dad meted out the justice. Vigilantism or not, the mother fricker got what he deserved.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:14 pm to Bard
What is Arkansas's self defense or stand your ground law?
Did the DA even prosecute the father?
You get a jury full of parents at the least, this guy would walk.
Did the DA even prosecute the father?
You get a jury full of parents at the least, this guy would walk.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 1:14 pm to Bard
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I disagree, it sounds like just the right amount of vigilantism to me. Extra points for the pistol-whipping after shooting the piece of trash.
I don't know...maybe if he had poured gas on him and set him on fire after pistol whipping and shooting him, then I could see extra points.
If they do arrest him, I'd volunteer to be on the jury.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes, but a reasonable belief her life is in danger? Without observable facts?
Well, a 67 year old man driving around with a14 year old girl after being accused of sexual abuse. He is a predator and should've known better... he put his sickness ahead of his own life in my opinion. He f-cked around and found out.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:03 pm to Purplehaze
Fine the father $1 for reckless driving and I'll pay the $1. Then give him a medal.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 2:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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67 year old man abusing his daughter
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too much vigilantism
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