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re: Are you looking forward to getting a full electric vehicle?
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:13 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:13 am to PrimeTime Money
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If I drove from Houston to New Orleans, 50 miles from my destination I’d have to pull off and charge for a half an hour.
Stupid.
Even with the current state of charging a Tesla Supercharger would get you 50 miles of range in under 15 minutes. Still not ideal but charging times have been coming down and range has been going up.
I think what you will find in the initial phase of acceptance is 2 car families that travel a lot will only have one all electric car. One electric and one petro or hybrid car is feasible range and charging wise for most every 2 car family.
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Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:20 am to PrimeTime Money
If not already available someone has to come up with an optional additional battery storage on a small trailer. For extended trips that aren’t necessarily a daily commute, just hook to your trailer and no problem.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:27 am to lsu xman
My iPhone has ruined a lot of trust in these statements about batteries lasting more than a couple of years.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:27 am to BRgetthenet
that's worse than parking a fuel pump when you are just going in for a slurpy you fat frick.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:31 am to PrimeTime Money
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If I drove from Houston to New Orleans, 50 miles from my destination I’d have to pull off and charge for a half an hour.
I get impatient standing at the pump for 3 minutes. No way in hell I could tolerate charging an electric car.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:31 am to Obtuse1
Serious question, though: at what point would it make sense to have one Petro/one electric if you're a family? The electric sedans still cost significantly more than your average Petro sedan, so gas savings wouldn't be the incentive. And 99% of families don't have a track car. Are companies gonna bring down the costs of the electric cars that much in the near future?
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:41 am to sparkinator
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someone has to come up with an optional additional battery storage on a small trailer.
While there are a lot of issues with hooking and unhooking high current high voltage batteries assuming that could be solved a roof box would be a better solution as long as there is a simple mechanical way to move it on and off the car.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:49 am to hojo
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Serious question, though: at what point would it make sense to have one Petro/one electric if you're a family?
There is no doubt we are still in the expensive/buggy early adopter phase. When the cost to own/drive gets near parity with the petro engined car sales will explode. When it will happen is anyones guess but the continued big money the large manufacturers are pouring into electric cars should signal the future.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 8:54 am to lsu xman
Never gonna be an electric hemi baw
Posted on 4/15/18 at 9:06 am to fishfighter
quote:I'm curious as to how much weight the massive amount of batteries required adds. I'm thinking at least 10k worth of battery weight. That takes away from how much you can haul.
But, they are pushing real hard to get 18 wheeler rigs done.
Then, you have the issue with range. Having big trucks stop every 300 miles to recharge for 12hrs doesn't sound ideal. You'd have to have some major power input and liquid cooling if it were to charge any faster. I'd rather hook up to fuel pumps every 1000 miles and be out in 20 minutes.
And I think people are forgetting that power companies will most definitely increase pricing as more people go electric. They're not gonna put up with making less money
Musk is just a dreamer with his big truck. It'll never work like he says, will catch on fire like his other vehicles, people won't buy it, and the NHTSA will ban it because of hazards. He'd be better off sticking to delivery vehicles, but he's an idiot
Posted on 4/15/18 at 9:30 am to Hammertime
Figure most around the town semis aren't breaking that 300 mile threshold.
Electric for those models make more sense when it comes to profit. That is why you see a lot of companies jumping on board. Not to mention they can contract out maintenance to TSLA.
Weight is a non factor. Remove the engine and drivetrain in exchange for a couple (maybe 4) electric motors and battery packs.
TSLA building the semi will be the savior of the company, assuming they can get it done. The model 3 is going to be a virtual bust, although it will change the car industry in some terms. Electric is no longer about gas mileage, it is a more practical car.
Independent solar energy will be the cure to higher electrical prices. That is coming with TSLA or without them. Energy companies will be in the business of pricing their electricty cheaper than you can provide it on your own.
Electric for those models make more sense when it comes to profit. That is why you see a lot of companies jumping on board. Not to mention they can contract out maintenance to TSLA.
Weight is a non factor. Remove the engine and drivetrain in exchange for a couple (maybe 4) electric motors and battery packs.
TSLA building the semi will be the savior of the company, assuming they can get it done. The model 3 is going to be a virtual bust, although it will change the car industry in some terms. Electric is no longer about gas mileage, it is a more practical car.
Independent solar energy will be the cure to higher electrical prices. That is coming with TSLA or without them. Energy companies will be in the business of pricing their electricty cheaper than you can provide it on your own.
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 9:31 am
Posted on 4/15/18 at 9:31 am to lsu xman
frick a glorified golf cart. 
Posted on 4/15/18 at 9:48 am to Hammertime
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I'm curious as to how much weight the massive amount of batteries required adds. I'm thinking at least 10k worth of battery weight. That takes away from how much you can haul.
As for the added weight (if any) the VAST majority of OTR loads cube out before they weight out.
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Then, you have the issue with range. Having big trucks stop every 300 miles to recharge for 12hrs doesn't sound ideal. You'd have to have some major power input and liquid cooling if it were to charge any faster. I'd rather hook up to fuel pumps every 1000 miles and be out in 20 minutes.
The range is specced at 300 or 500 miles depending in which battery pack you get. The 500 mile battery pack regains 400 miles in 30 minutes with the new 1.6mw charger. So no more than one 30 minute stop during a driving day.
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Musk is just a dreamer with his big truck. It'll never work like he says, will catch on fire like his other vehicles, people won't buy it, and the NHTSA will ban it because of hazards. He'd be better off sticking to delivery vehicles, but he's an idiot
You are obviously a Musk hater but TCI, Pepsi, Walmart, and Anheuser-Busch are among the big names betting on them enough to pre-order.
The end game here is autonomous electric semis. They could run probably 21-22 hours a day and the long term running cost will be far less than the current OTR diesels.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 9:57 am to mofungoo
Just some thoughts on economics and use
#1 If electrics catch on, oil prices will fall and utilities will rise
Unless you can make it renewable power at the consumer level and eliminate the energy middleman you are just trading one corporate greed for another. If oil demand drops - and gas prices as well - you could get back to 25 cent / gallon gas and that old internal combustion gets much cheaper to run.
#2 If electrics catch on, kids will drain the power
You rolling by yourself is one thing but wife and kids in the minivan all sucking power to run their phones, games, and who knows what is going to shorten that battery life and 300 miles will be less then 300 miles
#3 Electric heat is not as good
When your old 87 Buick heater is on that car is toasty in no time because it uses the heat off the engine to heat the cars interior. I was driving a new (year or two old rental) Nissan down I-75 in mid winter through KY and TN a few years ago and the damn thing on full heat never got near as warm as the old Buick with the setting about halfway up.
#4 The cost of 2 vehicles is more than 1
If I need a gas car for the days I am driving most of the day and an electric car for the days I am just going to the grocery will I ever recover the cost of the 2nd car? Not just purchase cost, but operational cost like fuel, insurance, and maintenance.
#1 If electrics catch on, oil prices will fall and utilities will rise
Unless you can make it renewable power at the consumer level and eliminate the energy middleman you are just trading one corporate greed for another. If oil demand drops - and gas prices as well - you could get back to 25 cent / gallon gas and that old internal combustion gets much cheaper to run.
#2 If electrics catch on, kids will drain the power
You rolling by yourself is one thing but wife and kids in the minivan all sucking power to run their phones, games, and who knows what is going to shorten that battery life and 300 miles will be less then 300 miles
#3 Electric heat is not as good
When your old 87 Buick heater is on that car is toasty in no time because it uses the heat off the engine to heat the cars interior. I was driving a new (year or two old rental) Nissan down I-75 in mid winter through KY and TN a few years ago and the damn thing on full heat never got near as warm as the old Buick with the setting about halfway up.
#4 The cost of 2 vehicles is more than 1
If I need a gas car for the days I am driving most of the day and an electric car for the days I am just going to the grocery will I ever recover the cost of the 2nd car? Not just purchase cost, but operational cost like fuel, insurance, and maintenance.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:07 am to Cheese Grits
#1: true. Gas combustion will become cheaper. Electricity will become even cheaper as well. Technology is making the price of electricty drop, quickly.
#2: Batteries are getting more and more powerful. We are far beyond the days of a gameboy running down any significant portion of the battery life.
#3: good point. Better insulation and tapping the heat dissipation from the battery could help. The Nissan you drove did not have this ability...actually a huge fault with the Nissan, but I digress.
#4: 2 is more than 1....yep. Not sure what argument you are making. Are you saying in a household they would buy two cars only to use one at a time? Something tells me it would be like the guy driving his f250 to work and the family sedan on trips. Sort of how it works now.
#2: Batteries are getting more and more powerful. We are far beyond the days of a gameboy running down any significant portion of the battery life.
#3: good point. Better insulation and tapping the heat dissipation from the battery could help. The Nissan you drove did not have this ability...actually a huge fault with the Nissan, but I digress.
#4: 2 is more than 1....yep. Not sure what argument you are making. Are you saying in a household they would buy two cars only to use one at a time? Something tells me it would be like the guy driving his f250 to work and the family sedan on trips. Sort of how it works now.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:34 am to lsu xman
I'll stick to gas for my main vehicle, thank you.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:39 am to Reservoir dawg
Forced air combustion will control the next 5 years, Hybrid will probably dominate the next 10 years after that and then fully electric sometime after that.
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:40 am to lsu xman
There’s enough whining in my car already
This post was edited on 4/15/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:41 am to liz18lsu
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Full electric boat. On water...
There are full electric ferries that are very effective although range remains limiting.
Posted on 4/15/18 at 10:44 am to Obtuse1
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I love to drive at the track, it is a passion of mine and the electric car is simply better for the track in almost all situations.
Realistically how many laps can you make in a electric car? Running them balls out like you would at a track would discharge the battery pretty damn quick right?
I see the advantages but all that power/torque would quickly fade under track conditions. I know a guy that drag races a Tesla and it is crazy fast off the line but he cannot run it over and over again all night like most of the guys at the track.
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