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re: Are people brainwashed with electric cars?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:47 am to bleedsgarnet
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:47 am to bleedsgarnet
As others pointed out, for many it makes sense. Hell, EVs actually make sense for my household with the exception of when we take the Suburban on road trips. I work within 5 miles of my house, and my wife works 15 miles from the house but only goes in twice a week. We just don't want them.
This is an actual selling feature for many. Now, when it's time for repairs, it could bite them in the arse depending on where they live
There are a lot of people that do not understand this impact
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no dealerships
This is an actual selling feature for many. Now, when it's time for repairs, it could bite them in the arse depending on where they live
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using your own electricity
There are a lot of people that do not understand this impact
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:47 am to bleedsgarnet
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The list of headaches with ev seems to be a reason not to go all in
I know a woman who had a Tesla and would like to get another now. She lives in Lafayette but teaches at LSU in Architecture. She told me she has access to a charger where she parks at LSU as well as one of the charging stations at her house. So it makes sense for her. She had no issues whatsoever with the car.
For me, it makes no sense. I have a 155-mile drive and then park for days at a time. There are no available chargers where I am parked.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:50 am to bleedsgarnet
I grew up in the 80’s so I’ll relate your question to an 80’s/90’s reference. Jeans, generally speaking, could be bought for $15-$20 but most folks had to have guess or girbeaud at $80-$100. Marketing builds up an image that brings 5he fledglings running. Financial sense be damned.
EV’s have a place in the automotive world, much like exotics, but they’re not practical for the everyday joe/Jane
EV’s have a place in the automotive world, much like exotics, but they’re not practical for the everyday joe/Jane
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:52 am to bleedsgarnet
Electric cars are really heavy, too. They should pay extra tax for tearing up the road.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:53 am to TigerGman
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For some people they make economical sense.
Tesla is 64k and the camry is 32k..
How?
Perhaps those people wouldn't be looking at luxury brand EVs, but instead perhaps a Chevy starting at $27k, or a Nissan starting at $28k.
You're being whats known as "specious" in your argument. You're not actually trying to be reasonable.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:55 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If you want an ICE, get an ICE.
The 2 issues I have (and I’m sure plenty of other detractors have) are:
1) buying a used EV with a battery that is nearing the end of its life-cycle means that, if you own a Tesla, you will be dropping something like $18k for a replacement battery. I’m sure thats no big deal for the OT Ballers, but for normal people, batteries aren’t cheap enough for that to be viable.
2) the retards in Washington (and most other Western governments) love to virtue signal that they want to get rid of ICE engines altogether by the mid 2030’s… problem is, not a single one of those morons has explained how they plan to expand our existing electrical grid capacity by a factor of 10 (at least), were every single ICE car to be replaced with an electric. Hell, Cali cant handle what they have right now and have rolling brown-outs on their shitty, outdated grid.
Unless there is a plan in place in the very near future to accommodate all of these EVs replacing ICEs, the only conclusion one could draw is that the powers that be want to drastically reduce private ownership of personal vehicles. So yeah, frick all that. Now if we were talking about hydrogen fuel cell- powered EVs that didnt have to plug in, i’d be all on board. But you know that will never happen.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:55 am to WDE24
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I’m not sure why it is so divisive
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:56 am to USMEagles
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Electric cars are really heavy, too. They should pay extra tax for tearing up the road.
a model 3 is about 100 lbs heavier than a 3 series.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:57 am to nino2469
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I could care less what people drive, but some of the reasons people list against the EV baffle me. Yes, our infrastructure as is could not support every American driving one, but I'm guessing when the gasoline car was first introduced that gas stations were not plentiful.
The infrastructure will come, and improvements to the battery life, distance, etc will come. To think that technology will not improve is just digging into an opinion and being stubborn.
Get that reasonable shite outta here, we're here for the hyperbole.
It's coming, freak out!
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:01 am to GumpInLex
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buying a used EV with a battery that is nearing the end of its life-cycle means that,
People buying cars with a ton of miles on them typically understand that plenty of it's life has been used up. I would say the nod here goes to the EV because you have no quantifiable way of knowing how much life if left in that 150k miles ice car but on the EV you can pull battery health on the dash.
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f you own a Tesla, you will be dropping something like $18k for a replacement battery.
At current prices then subtract the salvage value of the degraded unit. Right now you would be out about $8k. But the reality is there are very few battery units that have degraded out yet. Most of the failures people talk about on YouTube are structural (common) or internal cell (less common) but definitely not degradation.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:05 am to USMEagles
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Electric cars are really heavy, too. They should pay extra tax for tearing up the road.
In Georgia, we do
Have to pay $200+ every year at registration renewal since we don’t pay the “fix the road gasoline tax”.
I have no problem paying something, but it really should be based on miles driven. If I owned an ICE car, there is no way I’d pay anywhere near $200 in gasoline tax. I don’t drive a lot.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:07 am to bleedsgarnet
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sell me on why this makes sense.
JFC. This thread again?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:08 am to bleedsgarnet
EV is the future, but the tech isn’t quite where it’s need to be, and the infrastructure isn’t ready for that to be the primary car on the road.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:15 am to GumpInLex
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The 2 issues I have...
1. buying a used EV with a battery that is nearing the end of its life-cycle...
So your number 1 issue is being ripped off by a used car salesman?
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...Tesla...
It's funny how the anti EV people always bring up one of the most expensive EVs when discussing economical factors, but ignore the Chevy and Nissan EVs.
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batteries aren't cheap enough
And new technology never gets cheaper, does it?
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2. the retards in Washington...want to get rid of ICE engines altogether by the mid 2030’s
Are you not old enough yet to realize that when the government projects 10 years into the future, it's just bullshite? Hell, projecting anything past the current administration is bullshite.
Could it happen? Maybe. But no one is going to get rid of gasoline without providing a viable alternative. And we are decades away, so we have time to upgrade our infrastructure - which it needs whether we go to 100% EVs or not.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:27 am to Powerman
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Sure but it will take you years to recoup the increased cost of the vehicle in fuel savings
If you buy a Chevy Bolt for $28k, you've more than recouped the cost of buying the Bolt over a $30k Camry within a year.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:32 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If you buy a Chevy Bolt for $28k, you've more than recouped the cost of buying the Bolt over a $30k Camry within a year.
Some might need more out of a vehicle than a Chevy Bolt. That's where you would get into recouping the cost difference. I know there is the Ford truck, but what else is there for the EV equivalent of something like a 4Runner?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So fricking what?
I'm pretty sure that no matter what happens, you'll still be able to get from Point A to Point B.
You can get from Point A to B on a horse too. It doesn't mean it's the best option for you though
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:34 am to bleedsgarnet
quote:Virtue signaling ain’t cheap.
Tesla is 64k and the camry is 32k..
I am amazed at this. It's double the cost.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:34 am to jchamil
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EV equivalent of something like a 4Runner?
There really isn't one. I guess you could compare it to the Rivian R1S, but its not really fair when you consider what each do.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:35 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I have an EV and it has nothing to do with saving the planet. Love not having to get gas. The drive of the car is so superior to any ICE vehicle I have owned. Even though the car is more $, the payback is somewhere between 5-7 years and I plan to keep the car that long so it works for me (and my commute is not that long). I have solar and a battery storage unit so the solar charges the battery during the day and the battery charges the car at night. Using very little if any electricity. Many of the Tesla charging station use solar and battery backup already for charging. We will certainly need to improve our infrastructure but this is the way of the future.
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