re: Are dealerships still charging above MSRP?

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I have a 2013 Ford Fusion, 70k miles. You guys can laugh all you want, but if if lasts me another 10+ years I'm driving it till the end.

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Expecting a Ford Fusion to last 20 years is asking a lot.

But your overall point is still valid. There's more cost saving in buying used and nursing it along as far as you can. But most people see cars/trucks as a status symbol or their favorite toy and get a major endorphin rush when they sign that contract at the dealership.

I bought a truck Jan 2021. At that time, the squeeze was just getting started. I had been wanting to buy for a while as my other vehicle was no longer dependable. I had been waiting and waiting for EOY inventory liquidations which never came.

I found a vehicle that I could live with (base model F150 xlt crew cab), no bells and whistles.

I went to the dealership and told them I wanted to pay 32k for the vehicle...They did lower their price to 32k but hid some costs. I agreed to finance with them because I knew they would get a cut of the financing.

Today same truck (newer year model is 50k starting price)

I paid the truck off in 6 months.

If I tried to do that today (tell them what I was willing to pay), I would get laughed off the lot.

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Are dealerships still charging above MSRP?

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No clue but I know I just went on auto trader and the small engine version of the GLS merc is $115K. They were around $75k last year when the wife was looking. Wtf???

There are always dealer discounts for inhouse financing. If they think your financing 84 months at 6.9% with one of their partner lenders, not necessarily Honda finance, they can and will knock some off the price.