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re: Are data centers bad for local communities?
Posted on 12/14/25 at 8:38 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 12/14/25 at 8:38 pm to Scruffy
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Make these companies build their own power plants
I've posted this in several threads but the Google complex in Haskell is using 4 20mw small modular nuclear reactors for power. Which I think will become more commonplace. I want neighborhoods powered by them, bring me the pre-war fall out universe.
Here's a link
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:03 am to austin2015
As soon as the companies doing them realize that they're no profitable, they'll become large unused eye sores.
Lots of ppl will be unemployed.
Lots of ppl will be unemployed.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:47 am to hansenthered1
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I don't how it would lead to cost for other users? Are not the data centers going to be paying for the power they use? If they are given some sweetheart deal where they don't pay for their power, like we do with tax credits to incentivize corporations coming to an area I get it and would agree they are going to cost folks a lot in terms of energy cost.
If they are paying for their power then so what! It would make sense they're going to be paying a lot and it may be that we have to build new power plants, probably not a bad thing in the long run anyways. But the cost of the power they are paying for seems like it would be returned to the company in profits who could then build new plants and improve existing infrastructure etc.
Again, if we giving them some discount or they are offloading the cost to the locals I get it but for now, it seems this issues is just another one that crazy people have been latching onto.
The offsite infrastructure cost is being passed on to consumers. I think that is estimated to be $200mm, and has already been approved by the PSC. I don't recall the details about the power plants, but I think META is paying the costs for 20 years, and paying Entergy a fixed rate.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:14 am to austin2015
Sanders is right
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:35 am to OweO
Maybe temporary ones for construction. Those centers are pretty self automated with a few permanent positions to run routine maintenance
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:38 am to austin2015
Same as the crypto mining facilities. They find places with low power costs. They move in. They drive up the cost of power.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:46 am to ActusHumanus
I'm working on an AI data center complex right now
They had an agreement with the energy provider and it's a use it or lose it agreement. There were some project delays and now the owners are load banking 10 MW of power that is powering absolutely nothing.
They had an agreement with the energy provider and it's a use it or lose it agreement. There were some project delays and now the owners are load banking 10 MW of power that is powering absolutely nothing.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:55 am to SallysHuman
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All I know is unicorn farts aren't going to power these data centers. Can't be "green" and have the energy suck of data centers.
Google, AMazon and Microsoft are working with several energy companies to develop SMR's (Small Nuclear Reactors). The first is scheduled to come online in 2030.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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they dont create a lot of jobs for the resources they use
You don’t need jobs to create a shite ton of tax revenue
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:05 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Some people in this thread are saying they will crash and mass unemployment and some people are saying they don't employ anyone.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:05 am to austin2015
They drive up energy demand, which drives up consumer costs, and the government cuts them sweetheart deals.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:09 am to Scruffy
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In order to use a closed loop system, they would have to cool the water, which is likely highly cost prohibitive, so, no, they are “once through”, most likely.
Not likely unless on Mississippi River water as the once through source. As someone mentioned, it will be a cooling tower type system that removes heat through evaporative cooling. There is a lot of heat to be rejected and the water usage is replacing the amount lost to atmosphere through evaporation.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:10 am to BHM
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So Meta is going to spend 12 billion dollars but wants our good citizens to pay for the electricity and water.
If for some reason they shut down the data center, at worse we will be left with practically free power plants that we can use to sell power to the grid.
But the liberal loonies want to spin that, stating we will be on the hook for power plants. Like they would just sit there idle.
There are 2 in the public statement phase in my county, which was +24% for Trump in 2024, which are facing a MAJOR uphill battle to be approved and that battle is being lead by almost every elected official in the county, none of who happen to be a democrat....so it ain't just the loony left, it is also the right who are opposed to them being built in their backyard.
I have 70 acres in a county one county north of us where one was proposed last year and driven out of the county almost at the point of pitchforks and torches. That county also drove a bio-mass generating station out of the county 4 years ago and a chicken feed production facility in 2018. That county was +50% for Donald Trump in 2024, has not had a democrat in an elected position since the mid 1990s and is unlikely to anytime in the future. Nobody wants anything in their backyard. Its just the way of the world. Left, right, center, indifferent...not in my backyard.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:12 am to Fencepimp
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It’s Our ground water. Water does not reproduce itself. Water will be the next Gold Run. Ask Exxon and the plants in BTR why they use ground water and not pull from the Mississippi
Agreed. Exxon should make the capital investments to use 100% river water for their makeup.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:13 am to fightin tigers
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Some people in this thread are saying they will crash and mass unemployment and some people are saying they don't employ anyone.
They definitely do not create a high number of jobs, but most states require the jobs to be “high paying” and there are generally a minimal amount of jobs required to receive any incentives.
For example, in Texas there must be at least 20 jobs that pay 120% of the average wage of the county to get sales tax exemptions. I haven’t looked at Louisiana’s specific requirements.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:21 am to bad93ex
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The fact that the greatest nation on the face of the earth is struggling to ramp up the production of electricity should be alarming for everyone.
I will be lambasted for this BUT I have to say it anyhow....this is exactly why we have spent soooooooo much time and resources over the years vilifying socialism....because capitalism CAN'T compete with the taxing authority of the smallest and least wealthiest government. With the power of the state if you need a power plant and a source of water you simply take it....if you are in the US you have to pay for at least part of it out of your pocket. The issue isn't with the state taking it....we do that in this country also....the issue is no one can become a billionaire if they have to compete with that sort of capital raising ability. And we HAVE to have our billionaires. Electricity and water are a national security issue and the entirety of the resource and the infrastructure of both were owned by and bought and paid for by the taxpayers of this nation, just like they are in Sweden and North Korea. The difference in the US is we own them and pay for them but we allow investors to reap the profits...which doesn't happen on the same scale in Sweden and not at all in North Korea. If socialism and communism is doomed to fail of its own weight eventually why do we spend so much time, money and resources in keeping it at bay? The answer is obvious....we can't have billionaires without socializing costs and privatizing profits....that dog won't hunt....and the main goal of the United States is to enrich billionaires.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:40 am to The Third Leg
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They drive up energy demand, which drives up consumer costs, and the government cuts them sweetheart deals.
And now that these companies are becoming too big to fail we might be on the hook for bailing them out one day
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:41 am to Powerman
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And now that these companies are becoming too big to fail we might be on the hook for bailing them out one day
They;ll eventually take on partial gubmint ownership and become the technocracy.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:43 am to fightin tigers
Like we don’t all know who will be left footing the bills once their sweetheart initial contracts end
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:45 am to Ed Osteen
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Like we don’t all know who will be left footing the bills once their sweetheart initial contracts end
It's just another wealth transfer to the biggest corporations in the world from the middle class
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