re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused

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This. The shooter was supposedly barricaded in the room firing on officers, which is likely the “shots” heard being fired by people outside. The parents
likely wouldn’t have had time to be made aware and get to the school by the time this guy killed those in the room, as sad as that is to hear.

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I would think that is the more likely scenario if only for the fact that this is a relatively small town, so chances are multiple LEO's could have children in that school. Hell, one of the responding deputies lost his daughter in the attack. I just don't think that the officers would be just standing around outside without knowing there were other officers inside the building already. If that's not the case and this is another situation like Parkland, then some heads need to roll.

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Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t. One parent urged bystanders:

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”

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How do they know the cops weren't waiting on the social workers to go in first? The left would hate to escalate a school shooting with more violence by cops

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Protocol should never go out the window. That’s why it’s protocol.

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Until it's your child in that building. Use common sense.

Active shooter in an elementary school and you think the best option is to do nothing for 95 minutes? That can't seriously be your opinion.

frick a protocol, you literally have children dieing, you have to do something.

There needs to be an independent investigation of those officers to get to the bottom of what actually happened. I wouldn't trust the local PD because they will protect their own.

Here's what we know:

1) Ramos was apparently in a chase with Cops (his truck was torn up and ended up in a ditch).

2) Somehow he is able to get out of the truck ARMED and make it unharmed to the school. I've heard reports Cops were shooting at him after he got out. Don't know how true this is, but they evidently are bad shots.

3) He goes inside the school, kills 19 kids while Cops wait outside. Only after he is done do they start to engage him.

As soon as the Cops saw him exit the truck armed, there should have been a kill order. Take the fricker out right then and there. (That would be true if there was a school nearby or not). Anytime a suspect exits the vehicle after a high-speed chase with a gun in his hand, you know he is intent on killing someone. Take him down.

It is suspicious how all of this news trickled out so slowly. Cops clearly are embarrassed they fricked up. This also explains why I saw a woman on camera giving the Cops major shite right after the shooting.

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19 dead kids say otherwise.

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Glad you can leap frog to this conclusion. Not sure it's that simple unless you have an agenda to push.

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They have no idea how many shooters,

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bullshite. Are you aware that they chased him TO the fricking school? Why do you think his truck was crashed in the drainage ditch? He was in a high-speed pursuit with the Cops, crashed, got out armed and just meandered on in to the school uninjured.

It's totally unacceptable. He should have been killed as soon as he exited the vehicle. Not only did they let him get to the school, but they already had a bunch of Cops on scene who refused to go in for 90 minutes. Instead they sat outside and tazed parents.

Police totally fricked this whole thing up. Heads need to roll.

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They are trained to contain and assess the situation. They have no idea how many shooters, are there explosives, hostages, etc... they are trained and instructed to do exactly what they did.

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Stop making blanket excuses.

The cops knew EXACTLY what the situation was, because they were there when he entered the school, according to their own words!

The claim from the state police in their initial press conference is that the killer approached the school, a number of police engaged, the killer shot one or two officers, the killer made his way into the school, and the cops subsequently took up a defensive position outside the school and it took a rumored off duty border patrol agent and federal/state agents on the scene one hour and 30 minutes later to finally engage the classroom and kill the suspect.

This is my post from a police officer last night explaining that in no way shape or form is holding a tailgate outside the school the standard protocol in an active shooter situation :

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I was trained that as soon as you had two officers on scene, those officers entered the active shooter building/situation immediately (two were required so that one officer kept his attention solely toward the sound of the gunshots, and the second officer watched the first officers rear, did the radio communications, and directed civilians towards the exit if they ran towards them). Other officers were to enter in groups of two (or more if they arrived at the same time) as they arrived on scene. If the officers actively heard shooting after entering the building, they were to head directly towards the sound of the shooting as quickly as possible, but at a speed where the second officer could still cover behind them (in case of multiple shooters). If the gunshots stopped fully or temporarily, during that time they were to head towards the sound of the last gunshots, but at a slightly slower pace, making sure to better cover doors and hallways as they passed because the location of the shooter was no longer definite.


In this case apparently the officers and the suspect exchanged fire before he entered in the school, and the officers suffered injuries of some kind. OK, the way I was trained, if they were truly injured (not hurt), no problem, but the next two officers on scene should have been going into that school.

Cops sitting on the outside while people are being killed should be criminal. How I was trained makes complete sense to me. I have no idea what the frick happened here, but this is a fricking policing disaster of epic proportions if this emerging timeline is accurate. I cannot think of a single justifiable reason to not enter or maintain a presence in that school, absolutely unconscionable.

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Of course it is always worth keeping in mind, cops are in fact not obligated to actually save you from danger according to the Supreme Court, or even children, and police officers like the Sheriff’s Deputy at Parkland have used that argument to success in past shootings to avoid accountability for cowardice behavior

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Man, cops are C- educated HS students at best. Blaming the police is just another blanket excuse. Only ones who did anything wrong are the shooters parents and the shooter. I am as outraged as errbody else. Blaming the police in a split second decision on an active shooter situation is another BS blanket excuse.

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It’s called accountability

When you receive nearly 50% of the city budget, apply and receive for a 500k donation from the state, receive military grade armor and weaponry in the name of policies meant to improve your ability to “serve and protect” your community, you’re damn fricking right you are going to be held accountable when insofar as we know, the cops had the suspect engaged before entering the school and yet 19 children and 3 teachers are dead as cops held court outside the building and seemingly didn’t follow standard protocols and it took federal agents, one reportedly off duty, to finally reengage with the suspect.

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Average cops aren't trained to assault a building and hunt active shooters.

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Surprised this isn’t standard training since they play military all the time.
That’s week 8ish of basic training stuff if memory serves.