re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused

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I can't either, which is why I suggested that the cops may have believed that everyone in that classroom was already dead.

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Maybe you missed my edit. But it's impossible for the cops to know if everyone in the classroom is dead without actually going into the classroom to confirm. There can be zero doubt on this type of assessment that puts children's lives at risk.

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But it's impossible for the cops to know if everyone in the classroom is dead without actually going into the classroom to confirm. There can be zero doubt on this type of assessment that puts children's lives at risk.

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There will always be doubt. How do the cops know the shooter doesn't have 5 children standing in front of him as a human shield whose lives will be at a much greater risk if the cops try to enter the classroom at that point?

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I'm not conjuring up excuses. I'm speculating (as I've admitted) about scenarios that might explain their actions.

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I mean, thinking up ways that could exonerate them in light of the sequence of events we know so far, and filling in the gaps with it, is in fact coming up with exonerations on their behalf.

Other explanations: fear, cowardice, incompetence, poor training, decision-making paralysis, outdated tactical assumptions about how to handle an active shooter, adherence to outdated SOP's, poor or absent leadership, poor organizing of resources and duties amongst officers.

Thing is, I'm not asserting one or several of those must be the explanation. I'm not even assuming any of those right now. I do think what evidence we have so far, leans in the direction of things not smelling right in a general sense, and I am getting Parkland deja vu from it. And people having to come up with explanations that bend plausibility to the breaking point and that the officers aren't actually claiming, just to make the timeline fit in a way that exonerates their behavior, kinda reinforces that skepticism.

But as I have said, as more evidence comes out I will continue to reassess my positions, thats all we can do.

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Saagar Enjeti
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A Uvalde mother was PLACED IN HANDCUFFS by Federal Marshalls on scene for attempting to enter the school to get her child. Another man was tased for trying to get his kid off a bus. All while Salvador Ramos was alive inside killing kids

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I mean what happens if grief-stricken parents enter a school with an active shooter?

Doesn't sound like potential for a good ending.

Don't think Abbott going to cover for these guys

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So am I understanding it right that Twitter blue checks are condemning police officers who were establishing a perimeter to not allow grief stricken parents to enter the school?

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The concern at this point, is that as the killer was still active and firing shots, a large number of parents claim to have witnessed the cops refusing to re-enter the building, refusing to engage the killer, refusing to be more aggressive with getting remaining children out.

Parents were tazed, handcuffed, and thrown to the ground to prevent them from going in after their kids.

I mean can you blame them?

60+ minutes went by since initial engagement, it's very possible that several of those children might still be alive or saved had cops acted more swiftly and aggressively, as cops are trained and told to do.

For some reason 60ish+ minutes expired before final action was taken, and it wasnt by local police forces. Valid questions are abound

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a large number of parents claim to have witnessed the cops refusing to re-enter the building, refusing to engage the killer, refusing to be more aggressive with getting remaining children out.

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Right, but the only video I see is the one shared around where there's like 15 heavily armed cops dealing with a crowd of grief stricken and devastated parents. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think either another group is dealing with the shooter or the video is after the shooter had been put down.

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Parents were tazed, handcuffed, and thrown to the ground to prevent them from going in after their kids.

I mean can you blame them?

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Of course not. I don't blame them at all and in that situation I don't blame those particular cops for subduing them either.

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For some reason 60ish+ minutes expired before final action was taken, and it wasnt by local police forces. Valid questions are abound

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Agreed. There's tons of questions and I await the official statement of what actually transpired.

Devastating situation regardless.

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Right, but the only video I see is the one shared around where there's like 15 heavily armed cops dealing with a crowd of grief stricken and devastated parents. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think either another group is dealing with the shooter or the video is after the shooter had been put down.

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According to multiple eyewitnesses and family of the deceased, that may be the case in a specific video, but that dynamic existed for the hour the killer was still standing and shooting.

There is the report of the cuffed woman getting her kids, but also people working at the body shop down the street hearing gunshots, wanting to know why officers are refusing to go in, and yelling at them to give them the vest and they'll go in.

And tbc, the cops are right to not let them into an active shooter situation, the issue is why was their a retreat and then 40-90 minute gap before anyone attempted to breach the classroom again? Why did the local Leo's seemingly make no additional attempts to breach and get to the killer?

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the issue is why was their a retreat and then 40-90 minute gap before anyone attempted to breach the classroom again?

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Right. This is what I want answers on and if cops stood down while this happened, well there should be consequences for them.