re: Anyone have H. Wong for ME 3333 at LSU?

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I realize that you are not an engineer, have never gone through the curriculum, have never been an engineering teacher yourself, and have no clue what the frick you're talking about when it comes to judging engineering related academic matters.

That's what I do know.

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And you have a comprehension problem, therefore you attempt to place such narrow parameters on the argument so as to exclude any opinion/point of view that doesn't meet them.

If you applied your fallacies to yourself, you'd exclude yourself from virtually every single daily activity except for one. You wouldn't even be able to go frick yourself, since you lack a degree in Human Sexuality and have never gone through the curriculum.

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I've never understood statements like this. A teacher doesn't fail you unless he/she never shows up to class, doesn't explain the lessons, and never offers explanations of the things they aren't teaching.

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So if the entire class fails, is that a reflection on the teacher or the student?

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That's how bridges fall!!!!! One mistake!!!!!

-kilo1234

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I already admitted that I was screwing with him with that particular post.

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CFDoc

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Let me help you out. An engineering student complained about not being graded on a curve here:

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It's the thermo for non mechanical majors. The 2nd midterm avg was a 50. Idk how he isn't going to curve a good bit of the class is failing

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The fact that he is an engineering student has zero to do with the fact that complaining about not getting a curve when YOU are failing to meet the standard is bullshite. Anyone complaining about not getting a curve, regardless of their major, is nothing more than a whiner who isn't doing their part to meet the standard.

Do you see why it doesn't matter whether I have an engineering degree or not?

Do you see why the fact that I do not have an engineering degree being used as a basis to exclude my opinion on the matter is a fallacy?

Do you see why I don't have to "attempt to legitimize a wide range of parameters on the argument so as to include every opinion/point of view regardless of merit of validity", since the issue/argument has nothing to do with a specific major/course of study?

It does include a wide range of parameters. In fact, it includes every single major, every single class, and every single daily activity.

If it (regardless of what "it" is) has a standard, then either do whatever it takes to meet it. If you won't do whatever it takes to meet it, then GTFO. If you CAN'T meet it (because of your personal limitations...which is entirely possible, since everyone can't do everything), then find something else you CAN do and excel at.

But hey, nice try. I'm sure you spent 99% of your brain power coming up with your retort. I applaud your effort, but I give you a grade of 25%. 70% is passing and no, I don't grade on a curve.

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kilo1234

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I think everyone gets what you are saying but it's only correct when the teacher is a good teacher or has reasonable expectations. If the teacher does a terrible job and the student fails because of the teachers inability to teach, the "standard" becomes a failing or low grade. The teacher usually curves to "help" the students but does not realize it usually is their fault in the beginning. I had this issue with Rabalais for an EE class. The material is simple enough but the tests made no sense or had the incorrect answers. Students complained and he would curve us like 30% because the class average would be around a 50!

If a class is curved too much, it is either because the teacher is horrible or the material is too much to handle in one semester because nobody had enough time to master it.

My teacher only assigns letter grades, and he bases those off of a bell curve using number grades

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Students complained and he would curve us like 30% because the class average would be around a 50!

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Enter Wong, who gives two shits about who understands what. You get above a 60, you pass, you get below, you fail. That's it.

Like I said before I knew this guy was trouble when the first test average was a 40, and Wong laughed about doing better because he would fail everyone. He literally has zero interest in seeing his students succeed.

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This is when I had an awakening that if I wanted to pass, I would have to teach myself the material and be prepared for anything.

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I know this feeling well.

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Is it not possible to take this class with another professor?

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Not when I was there. To make matters worse if you dropped, that set you back a whole year because of "lockstep", where the college only offered certain classes every semester to keep up with the curriculum flowchart. That meant the class was offered once a year when I was there.

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It's pretty clear you have no idea how difficult these classes are. It's also pretty clear you have no idea how the teacher teaches his class. Blaming the students after well over 50% of the class is failing is also poor form on your part. It's not uncommon for 25% of the class to get a D or better. Is that a reflection of the teacher or the student?

It's hard to take you seriously when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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You are missing the point. I haven't once defended the professor. And don't lecture me on "how difficult these classes are." They are hardly the most difficult thing in life. Don't get butt-hurt and take that as me saying they are "easy." They certainly are not easy (I'll even give you "difficult"), but you guys act like engineering is the hardest shite on the planet.

I also understand this particular situation specifically. I had an undergraduate class where only 25% of the class had higher than a 70% average. And this was at a private university where it took a 1300 or higher SAT score (the old scale...I think you guys use something different now) just to be considered for admission. We also didn't have access to a virtually unlimited source of knowledge right at our fingertips (the internet). Guess what? We (some of us) figured it out and got it done, despite the shitty professor. 2 of us even managed to squeak out an A.

I'm just saying that instead of bitching about it and trying to pull the standard down to you, you (the royal "you") figure out a way to get it done. Professor sucks? Get...it...done. Find a way. If you are intelligent enough to tackle Mechanical Engineering, then you should be smart enough to overcome a terrible professor. I'm not suggesting it would be easy, convenient, or pleasurable. I'm just saying it's possible.

It's what separates the cream of the crop from the average.