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re: Anyone getting tired of certain people CONSTANTLY lying about police altercations?

Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by Kvothe
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:46 pm to
I agree with you as well. I don't have the answer either. The things you listed are a good start and how a civilized society should act. Presuming everyone is civilized is a whole different topic.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:46 pm to
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You want accountability for police but you don't want any level of government (local, state, federal) to do it yet yo recognize the fact that no one else can do it.



All about problems, never solutions. That's why these people drive me insane. I want police reform and a lot of other adults do too but it's hard to have a real conversation when the children won't shut the frick up.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:47 pm to
Man people just lie. We've seen citizens lie about police and we've also seen police lie about citizens. To argue that one side is infallible is a dangerous sentiment
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:48 pm to
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The things you listed are a good start and how a civilized society should act.


Well if you want those things then discuss them, talk about how they would be a positive for society. Calling people racist just shuts down that whole dialogue.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49577 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:49 pm to
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My frustrations (and maybe other people's) with BLM and all this shite is that they pick these fights with no stated goals and only seem to seek conflict, not resolution. You can "seek justice" all you want but until you define what that justice is, you're just pestilent children screaming to be heard with nothing to say.


This.


I'm a proponent of criminal justice reform. I want the War on Drugs to end. I want to end selective enforcement areas based on race. I want to stop throwing non-violent offenders in prison.

But don't fricking trot out Michael Brown and Alton Sterling as your martyrs and then act violently when the governing bodies supervising the matter make the just and reasonable decision to not press charges. Because all that tells me is that you aren't really for criminal justice reform; it tells me you're for being perpetually angry and violent.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:50 pm to
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Presuming everyone is civilized


Made even more difficult when they repeatedly start riots, damage property, make no efforts to find solutions....

Here is a hint or two...Throwing cinder blocks through plate glass windows will NOT help the situations. Setting fire to vehicles will NOT help the situations. Dealing in drugs or firearms will NOT help the situations.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:50 pm to


Can't we just have a common sense middle ground for people like us who hate cops and black people?
Posted by Kvothe
Member since Sep 2016
2101 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:53 pm to
Where did I call anyone racist? I have maximum privilege.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:56 pm to
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Where did I call anyone racist? I


I must have projected that onto you since you were arguing with SS, my bad. But it did setup my last joke, so I'm ok with it.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:59 pm to
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Can't we just have a common sense middle ground for people like us who hate cops and black people?

Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:00 pm to
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I have maximum privilege.

Just because you are white doesn't mean you have max priviledge, you are still a woman, so you therefore cannot have MAX priviledge.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:01 pm to
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But don't fricking trot out Michael Brown and Alton Sterling


What happens if they don't trust the cops and legitimately have reasons not to?

That's were I disagree. Criminal
justice reform even starts with the worst offenders/dirtbags. doesn't our constitution protect all people? They have basic constitutional right. It's not really about defending them it's more so about the constitution. Setting the bar too high renders the system dysfunctional. It won't work
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:01 pm to
Posted by Kvothe
Member since Sep 2016
2101 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:02 pm to
Antonio has to get the LE dick out of his mouth before he can agree to anything. Give him a second.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:04 pm to
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That's were I disagree. Criminal
justice reform even starts with the worst offenders/dirtbags. doesn't our constitution protect all people? They have basic constitutional right. It's not really about defending them it's more so about the constitution. Setting the bar too high renders the system dysfunctional. It won't work



Reform in a representative government requires you to convince people it's necessary or positive. These cases do neither, it's not about convincing people, it's about entrenching preexisting ideas.
Posted by Kvothe
Member since Sep 2016
2101 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:05 pm to
My privilege outweighs yours by a country mile baw
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:07 pm to
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So do you disagree with the evolving narrative that the current DOJ is racist and found the BR officers to not have infringed on Sterling's civil rights based solely on the fact that they are white and he was black?


Sessions has a dirty past when it comes to race, and has man SEVERAL dog whistle comments in his first 5 months. It'd be dumb to say the whole DOJ is racist, but I have a vote of "no confidence" for him when it comes to prosecuting rogue cops. He believes in the damn "fergurson effect" something Obama's own Comey professed to at the shock of the obama DOJ (cause it's just not true).

Its not the particular case, because there is no way to say those cops did it because of race. However it's the overlying dynamics of the case, and how seemingly, there seems to be a protection for police when they commit crimes, especially involving black suspects.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:07 pm to
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Time and time again it seems a certain entitled segment of society (race agnostic) is caught lying about what happened in some altercation with the law or judges.

Yes, and I am also tired of cops lying about what happened.
another example
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25239 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:08 pm to
Seriously, I agree with the op. And to catch these liars, the police should wear cameras to prove they're being lied about.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:09 pm to
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Reform in a representative government requires you to convince people it's necessary or positive.


If we need cut and dry perfect cases to get reform, then we will never get reform or the majority doesn't really care for reform because the status quo is sufficient enough for them.

Walter Scott was a perfect case and he had to plead guilty himself because his own State got a hung jury on his case. If that's not perfect then what is ?
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