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re: Anyone getting tired of certain people CONSTANTLY lying about police altercations?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:46 pm to LucasP
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:46 pm to LucasP
I agree with you as well. I don't have the answer either. The things you listed are a good start and how a civilized society should act. Presuming everyone is civilized is a whole different topic.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:46 pm to Antonio Moss
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You want accountability for police but you don't want any level of government (local, state, federal) to do it yet yo recognize the fact that no one else can do it.
All about problems, never solutions. That's why these people drive me insane. I want police reform and a lot of other adults do too but it's hard to have a real conversation when the children won't shut the frick up.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:47 pm to theunknownknight
Man people just lie. We've seen citizens lie about police and we've also seen police lie about citizens. To argue that one side is infallible is a dangerous sentiment
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:48 pm to Kvothe
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The things you listed are a good start and how a civilized society should act.
Well if you want those things then discuss them, talk about how they would be a positive for society. Calling people racist just shuts down that whole dialogue.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:49 pm to LucasP
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My frustrations (and maybe other people's) with BLM and all this shite is that they pick these fights with no stated goals and only seem to seek conflict, not resolution. You can "seek justice" all you want but until you define what that justice is, you're just pestilent children screaming to be heard with nothing to say.
This.
I'm a proponent of criminal justice reform. I want the War on Drugs to end. I want to end selective enforcement areas based on race. I want to stop throwing non-violent offenders in prison.
But don't fricking trot out Michael Brown and Alton Sterling as your martyrs and then act violently when the governing bodies supervising the matter make the just and reasonable decision to not press charges. Because all that tells me is that you aren't really for criminal justice reform; it tells me you're for being perpetually angry and violent.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:50 pm to Kvothe
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Presuming everyone is civilized
Made even more difficult when they repeatedly start riots, damage property, make no efforts to find solutions....
Here is a hint or two...Throwing cinder blocks through plate glass windows will NOT help the situations. Setting fire to vehicles will NOT help the situations. Dealing in drugs or firearms will NOT help the situations.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:50 pm to Antonio Moss
Can't we just have a common sense middle ground for people like us who hate cops and black people?
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:53 pm to LucasP
Where did I call anyone racist? I have maximum privilege.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:56 pm to Kvothe
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Where did I call anyone racist? I
I must have projected that onto you since you were arguing with SS, my bad. But it did setup my last joke, so I'm ok with it.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 7:59 pm to LucasP
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Can't we just have a common sense middle ground for people like us who hate cops and black people?

Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:00 pm to Kvothe
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I have maximum privilege.
Just because you are white doesn't mean you have max priviledge, you are still a woman, so you therefore cannot have MAX priviledge.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:01 pm to Antonio Moss
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But don't fricking trot out Michael Brown and Alton Sterling
What happens if they don't trust the cops and legitimately have reasons not to?
That's were I disagree. Criminal
justice reform even starts with the worst offenders/dirtbags. doesn't our constitution protect all people? They have basic constitutional right. It's not really about defending them it's more so about the constitution. Setting the bar too high renders the system dysfunctional. It won't work
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:02 pm to LucasP
Antonio has to get the LE dick out of his mouth before he can agree to anything. Give him a second.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:04 pm to StrongSafety
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That's were I disagree. Criminal
justice reform even starts with the worst offenders/dirtbags. doesn't our constitution protect all people? They have basic constitutional right. It's not really about defending them it's more so about the constitution. Setting the bar too high renders the system dysfunctional. It won't work
Reform in a representative government requires you to convince people it's necessary or positive. These cases do neither, it's not about convincing people, it's about entrenching preexisting ideas.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:05 pm to shawnlsu
My privilege outweighs yours by a country mile baw
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:07 pm to Antonio Moss
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So do you disagree with the evolving narrative that the current DOJ is racist and found the BR officers to not have infringed on Sterling's civil rights based solely on the fact that they are white and he was black?
Sessions has a dirty past when it comes to race, and has man SEVERAL dog whistle comments in his first 5 months. It'd be dumb to say the whole DOJ is racist, but I have a vote of "no confidence" for him when it comes to prosecuting rogue cops. He believes in the damn "fergurson effect" something Obama's own Comey professed to at the shock of the obama DOJ (cause it's just not true).
Its not the particular case, because there is no way to say those cops did it because of race. However it's the overlying dynamics of the case, and how seemingly, there seems to be a protection for police when they commit crimes, especially involving black suspects.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:07 pm to theunknownknight
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Time and time again it seems a certain entitled segment of society (race agnostic) is caught lying about what happened in some altercation with the law or judges.
Yes, and I am also tired of cops lying about what happened.
another example
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:08 pm to theunknownknight
Seriously, I agree with the op. And to catch these liars, the police should wear cameras to prove they're being lied about.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 8:09 pm to LucasP
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Reform in a representative government requires you to convince people it's necessary or positive.
If we need cut and dry perfect cases to get reform, then we will never get reform or the majority doesn't really care for reform because the status quo is sufficient enough for them.
Walter Scott was a perfect case and he had to plead guilty himself because his own State got a hung jury on his case. If that's not perfect then what is ?
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