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re: Anybody here Actually Believe in the Killing of Gen. Patton Conspiracy?
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:48 am to Placebeaux
Posted on 3/10/15 at 7:48 am to Placebeaux
To the Op who stated that Patton was up and around after the accident is a complete 180 from everything that has been stated about the wreck. I'd like more info in this documentary.
Fwiw Patton complained that he was paralyzed and having trouble breathing. He was only one of the passengers that was unable to brace himself as his head crashed into the partition glass.
Fwiw Patton complained that he was paralyzed and having trouble breathing. He was only one of the passengers that was unable to brace himself as his head crashed into the partition glass.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 7:55 am
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Posted on 3/10/15 at 8:04 am to TigerFanInSouthland
It was those pinko commie bastards.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 8:10 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Yes
Posted on 3/10/15 at 8:12 am to LCA131
Friendly fire? it was a wreck.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 8:17 am to Wtodd
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IF we wanted him dead, why set-up an elaborate scheme; it was wartime and friendly fire happens all the time.
Patton was killed after the war was over, so it was not wartime.
He hated the Soviets and was rather disgusted at the post-war politics that handed them half of Europe. He was also very opposed to how he was ordered to govern Bavaria and treat the German population and he had a record of speaking publically about his thoughts and his stature certainly offered credibility. Patton was a serious threat to the delicate postwar political situation and was a proponent of fighting the Soviets as soon as possible. The motive for eliminating him was certainly there.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 8:21 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I watched the movie "Patton" a few weeks back for the first time. What an incredible movie. It got me more interested in the man and I read how he died. Seemed like an unfortunate accident.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:01 am to ChewyDante
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Patton was a serious threat to the delicate postwar political situation and was a proponent of fighting the Soviets as soon as possible. The motive for eliminating him was certainly there.
While I generally think Patton is a mad genius, this course of action would not have ended well for us. I'm not saying we should've killed the guy, but he did need to shut his trap.
I would like to stay out of a country with a shitload more men than the country we just faced.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:10 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Just consider what all we know bout the CIA today & then remember that it was its founder, Wild Bill Sullivan, who was supposedly behind this "accident". I've read no where that Patton was up & walking around after the accident, just the opposite. FWIW: O'Reilly's findings that the driver of the other vehicle disappeared afterwards AND that no police accident report was ever located is spot on. And the part about the US govt refusing to allow his body to be buried in Arlington is 100% true and 1000% horrible.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:15 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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I would like to stay out of a country with a shitload more men than the country we just faced.
Well I think the belief there was that the war was inevitable and it was favorable to launch it then, when America was fully mobilized, in total war production mode at home, fully deployed in Europe, and with strategic technological advantages. Patton was worried that when America demobilized and went home, the Soviets could have bulldozed through Western Europe and we'd have been powerless to stop it. I think he was probably right and that it was ultimately only the unforeseen effects of nuclear deterrence that prevented another land war in Europe. Hell, it almost happened in spite of nuclear deterrence. And the completely unthinkable possibility of general nuclear exchange nearly happened numerous times between the West and the Soviets.
Patton's ideas were really not so crazy when you put things in perspective. There were mostly only bad options available as a result of gifting the Soviets all of Eastern Europe politically and Patton and Churchill both damn well knew the war time politics of Roosevelt were endangering the non-Communist world. Churchill was not without blame either but he began to recognize the danger after it began to unfold.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:21 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Killing Patton for Christmas
Wonder why they killed him for Christmas?
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:26 am to Placebeaux
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Patton wanted to jump on the Russians right then and there.
He was right. The American public never would have accepted it though.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:35 am to show me them TDs
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Wonder why they killed him for Christmas?
What a sad attempt at a joke.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
People die in car accidents all the time.
But, the Russians were really scared of him and capable of anything at that point in their paranoid history.
(ETA: And he presented a theoretical threat to the status quo - although he espoused no political ambitions - he would have been an immensely popular candidate if he had decided to run for President in 1948).
But, the Russians were really scared of him and capable of anything at that point in their paranoid history.
(ETA: And he presented a theoretical threat to the status quo - although he espoused no political ambitions - he would have been an immensely popular candidate if he had decided to run for President in 1948).
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/10/15 at 10:43 am to Ace Midnight
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But, the Russians were really scared of him and capable of anything at that point in the paranoid history
Still are today.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:08 am to Ace Midnight
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But, the Russians were really scared of him and capable of anything at that point in their paranoid history
While I won't go as far to say that he was the best allied General in WWII (he very well may have been) if we were going on the attack, all we'd need to come up with joint plans is him and Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller. Those two men, if they were attacking would never be stopped.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:27 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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While I won't go as far to say that he was the best allied General in WWII (he very well may have been) if we were going on the attack, all we'd need to come up with joint plans is him and Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller. Those two men, if they were attacking would never be stopped.
The air campaign we could have waged against the Soviets at that time would have been monumentally devastating, and that's excluding the use of nuclear weapons. Factor in that we alone possessed the technology at that time and you truly see the advantage we yielded yet completely failed to utilize as leverage against the Soviets. We were at the peak of our air power with all the lessons learned from the start of the war onward.
The critical and most dangerous period would be the outset, when the massive Soviet divisions on and behind the front had to be faced head on. Ultimately I believe the Soviets would have been forced out of Eastern Europe and to settle for their prewar borders, but there is no telling the casualty numbers from those initial clashes. The Red Army was a well greased machine at this point bolstered with years of Western material and technological aid, but they'd have been in big trouble once their logistical machine began to feel the effects from the air war that could have been waged on them. They battled a wrecked, beleaguered, and shattered German military after 1943 and they effectively dominated the skies late in the war against the Germans. The Soviets were not as invincible at this time as they appeared.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:30 am to Keltic Tiger
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And the part about the US govt refusing to allow his body to be buried in Arlington is 100% true and 1000% horrible.
I read Patton's biography and thought i remembered it was Patton's dream to be buried on the field of battle in a foreign country. His wife was the only one who wanted him buried here, not Patton if i remember correctly. I know he wanted to die in battle and had a hard time living in peace time. The man was born to fight no doubt about it. He battled depression after missing out on most of WW1 because he thought he'd never get to fight a war and had missed his opportunity.
This post was edited on 3/10/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:30 am to TigerFanInSouthland
No
Posted on 3/10/15 at 11:36 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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The man was born to fight no doubt about it. He battled depression after missing out on most of WW1 because he thought he'd never get to fight a war and had missed his opportunity.
His exploits in Mexico are right out of a far fetched action movie. The man was a quintessential badass.
Posted on 3/10/15 at 1:27 pm to Keltic Tiger
Why would the U.S. Govt refuse to let Patton be buried at Arlington? Is your assertion that this is "100% true" based on fact or Bill O'Reilly's take on things?
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