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re: Any consensus on the reason for cutting with fentanyl?
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:44 am to davyjones
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:44 am to davyjones
Harder addicts need a stronger product. They cut sometimes enough to kill because addicted people actively search that out. It’s not negative it’s a selling point.
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:52 am to davyjones
This is why I just stick with weed. Don’t have to worry about OD’ing.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:59 am to sta4ever
Had some fentanyl laced weed in NOLA show up
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:59 am to Northshore Aggie
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It's like two dicks
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Northshore Aggie
Trust the expert on this one
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:03 am to davyjones
$/volume and addictive. It’s easier to smuggle. You really think cartels care about someone’s life? Users are expendable.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:07 am to Lithium
That didn’t happen and thank God I don’t live in NOLA anyways.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:26 am to davyjones
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I’m certain it’s been touched upon, but might I bother any of you to offer any reasonable theories on why dealers are cutting your various choices of speed narcotics with fent? And unbeknownst to the customer, at that. Intentionally so.
As you all know well, the speeds and fentanyl net the consumer completely opposite effects. It’s like someone cutting your lortab (hydrocodone) with meth. It don’t make no sense damn it. Why the hell would allow the potential loss of return customers? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t strike me as a prudent business model.
From what I've read and watched, fentanyl is ridiculously addictive and it's potent in the tiniest of doses. Those deep in their opioid addictions find out someone has died due to a fentanyl OD and they will flock to that dealer to buy. The mindset is "that must be some good shite if it's enough to kill people" (translation: "there must be more fentanyl per gram/ounce/whatever than normal and I want a chance at that bigger, stronger high regardless if it may kill me").
It's a completely irrational thought to those not addicted to opioids, but the minds of addicts look at reality from a different angle. So for the dealer dealing to the heavily addicted, that people are OD'ing from their drugs because there's too much fentanyl is like a giant neon sign to buyers and it says "THIS DEALER HAS GOOD shite!!"
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:35 am to sta4ever
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This is why I just stick with weed. Don’t have to worry about OD’ing.
It's only a matter of time before dealers start lacing it with fentanyl. The addiction factor, from what I understand is ridiculously strong.
An old friend of mine ended up heavily addicted to drugs. He started with weed and likely would have stayed there, but someone gave him a joint laced with meth (he didn't realize it was laced). He's told me that he realized there was no turning back within the first few seconds after taking a hit from it.
Fentanyl is supposed to be even more addictive than meth, so it's not hard to imagine weed laced with it would create instant addicts.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:36 am to Bard
Aaaaaaaaaaand the thread is anchored.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:47 am to ZZTIGERS
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I don’t really get it. You’re risking killing your customers.
Some theories have China as the main source of fentanyl, and paying the cartels to have it distributed within America with the intention of causing “accidental” deaths.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:37 am to davyjones
It's because fentanyl is cheap, easy to obtain for the cartels and probably most important, it's very potent.
Heroin is usually cut using mannitol. That stretches the product, but also weakens it. If you use a little fentanyl, all the sudden you have the same potency heroin, but now you've turned an ounce into 2 and the potency is the same bc of the fentanyl.
If someone had garbage product, word spreads fast and no one will go buy it. However, when an addict hears someone OD'd off some fire dope, our first thought is "where the hell did they get that dope? I want that!" We pay no mind to the person OD'ing bc we think we'll be different than them. The only thing we associate their death with, while in that state of mind, is fire arse dope. It's sickening.
Heroin is usually cut using mannitol. That stretches the product, but also weakens it. If you use a little fentanyl, all the sudden you have the same potency heroin, but now you've turned an ounce into 2 and the potency is the same bc of the fentanyl.
quote:To understand this, you have to put your mind in the same state as an addict.
Why the hell would allow the potential loss of return customers? I’m no expert, but that doesn’t strike me as a prudent business model
If someone had garbage product, word spreads fast and no one will go buy it. However, when an addict hears someone OD'd off some fire dope, our first thought is "where the hell did they get that dope? I want that!" We pay no mind to the person OD'ing bc we think we'll be different than them. The only thing we associate their death with, while in that state of mind, is fire arse dope. It's sickening.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:45 am to 7thWardTo314
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As a drug dealer, you want your product to be as strong as possible for as cheap as possible. The low level dealers aren’t the ones cutting heroin with fentanyl or fentanyl analogs. It’s the folks that are selling kilos and those that are making fake pressed pills that are using a fent analog to make the pills and cut the dope.
Seen a poster talking about receiving medical fentanyl and let me tell you, medical Fent has nothing on real heroin, especially black tar or east coast drugs powder as far as the feelings of euphoria.
I hate fentanyl and fentanyl analogues. They have completely ruined the drug game. From fake percs and Roxie’s to weighing/ cutting coke on the same surfaces and cross contaminating. Don’t even get me started on cutting dope with tranquilizers smh. You can’t even get high these days without having someone around you with Narcan just in case.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:05 am to davyjones
In most cases the products are being unintentionally contaminated except for heroin itself. It makes no sense to cut meth or cocaine with fentanyl. The amount of fentanyl that would be added as a cutting agent would be next to nothing.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 4:06 pm to davyjones
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But I guess they trying to achieve prior highs by using a little more each time. Still though, we’re talking well above average tolerance levels on these particular folks.
Between dope cut with fent and dope cut with fent and tranquilizer’s like Zyliene, addicts don’t stand a chance these days. It’s a matter of when, not if, these days.
Even those with a fent tolerance are OD’ing due to hot spots, especially in pressed pills.
Fent hits fast and hard. It’s not even about chasing the initial high for actual opiate addicts. Those that are first starting out are chasing the first high maybe. But people who are full blown addicts, aka physically dependent on opiates, are just trying to stay out of withdrawals, aka getting well. Fent hits so hard and fast, an addict can get well at 8am and be going into withdrawal symptoms again by noon.
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