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re: Anti-vaccine advocates appointed to Minnesota autism council after measles outbreak
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:26 am to Bullfrog
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:26 am to Bullfrog
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Nope. These are the things you tell yourselves before group high-fives.
Walking and talking vanished after the immunizations. Night and day change in the kid.
I understand the need to find a reason for the autism, but the immunizations aren't it.
What you described is typical of autistic children. They'll start talking then fall behind or even regress.
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Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:33 am to Korkstand
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So it's not that more kids today have autism than in the past, it's that it's more often diagnosed.
The literature doesn't support this as a global explanation for the increase in ASD. It's definitely part though.
In short there appears to be an actual increase in ASD that isn't accounted for merely by better diagnosis and nomenclature.
But, yes, you're correct, there's no evidence showing causal link between ASD and muh vaccines.
Ahh the OT, downvoting instead of posting an actual reply.
Very quick Google re ASD: LINK
Yes diagnosis is absolutely an important factor in increase, as I said, but not everything. Do your own research. I happen to believe the increase in mostly accounted for by early and better diagnosis. But that doesn't explain it all. And I wasn't being sarcastic that there is no causal link (or even strong correlation) between ASD and vaccinations.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 7:49 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:40 am to Bullfrog
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Nope. These are the things you tell yourselves before group high-fives.
Walking and talking vanished after the immunizations. Night and day change in the kid.
Yea its all a big conspiracy. The FDA and CDC are poisoning our children. Vaccinating them, feeding them Gmos,etc.
Do you really believe that?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:40 am to Bullfrog
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Nope. These are the things you tell yourselves before group high-fives.
Walking and talking vanished after the immunizations. Night and day change in the kid.
correlation != causation
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:44 am to Midtiger farm
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Yea its all a big conspiracy. The FDA and CDC are poisoning our children. Vaccinating them, feeding them Gmos,etc.
Do you really believe that?
Do I think it’s a big conspiracy? No. Do I think the CDC/FDA have big time lobbyist influence on what they say is good enough? Yes bc that is how govt works these days unfortunately.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:12 am to Centinel
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correlation != causation
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:14 am to Tigerbait357
What in the frick is going on with Minnesota?
I always knew they were the lead paint eater of the US considering the winners they have been electing since the 1960s, but for the love of God, they are just straight up retarded.
I always knew they were the lead paint eater of the US considering the winners they have been electing since the 1960s, but for the love of God, they are just straight up retarded.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:15 am to Midtiger farm
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The FDA and CDC are poisoning our children. Vaccinating them, feeding them Gmos,etc.
Do you really believe that?
Do you really not believe that??
Next thing you’ll say is chemtrails are not poisoning us daily and that aliens only come from south of the border. Illegal or space.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:19 am to lsunurse
I’m sorry about your brother, Nurse.
I just have to say
I just have to say
quote:Maybe or maybe not.
Nothing to do with the vaccines he was getting...
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:21 am to Tigerbait357
I feel so sorry for the kids. It’s not their fault their parents are idiots.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:26 am to Bullfrog
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Maybe or maybe not.
Hard to argue this sound reasoning...
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:51 am to STEVED00
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I do find the medical community as a whole really gets defensive and is quick to insult when they are questioned on things.
Quick tip. You want to sway someone to your side, try to avoid cursing and throwing insults.
At this point only a functioning retard would question the science behind vaccines, so if you find yourself doing it, don't expect much patience in the responses you get.
ETA: Your next post after that one:
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Kids are dying? Is it similar to the deaths related to the tax cuts? People just love to throw around doom and gloom is my point. Be honest, we don’t want measles outbreaks bc it’s sucks for all involved. Let’s just not confuse the measles or mumps with the freaking plague.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 8:52 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:05 am to Tigerbait357
I have no patience for anti-vaxxers. I switched cosmetic companies from the one I loved using (Kat Von D) purely because she’s a piece of shite anti Semitic anti-vaxxer.
Kinda funny though.. we are unintentionally anti-vax for my dog
She got very ill this winter and the research team on her case traced it back to a vaccine. Still though.. she’s one dog. It doesn’t magically mean ALL dogs should avoid vaccines. She’s in a small percentage that had a reaction.
Same for humans. I am sure there have been side effects for some people from some vaccines, but that’s more a freak instance having to do with their body.. not vaccines as a whole. And they sure as shite don’t make people autistic.
Kinda funny though.. we are unintentionally anti-vax for my dog
She got very ill this winter and the research team on her case traced it back to a vaccine. Still though.. she’s one dog. It doesn’t magically mean ALL dogs should avoid vaccines. She’s in a small percentage that had a reaction. Same for humans. I am sure there have been side effects for some people from some vaccines, but that’s more a freak instance having to do with their body.. not vaccines as a whole. And they sure as shite don’t make people autistic.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:15 am to LNCHBOX
Look there are anti-vaxxers and people that want to understand as much as they can about vaccines before they inject their kids.
We vaccinate but we have honest discussions about them with our ped about what they are, what to expect, and what is the importance. Everyone should have that discussion with their doctors instead of just resorting to fear mongering and name calling.
We vaccinate but we have honest discussions about them with our ped about what they are, what to expect, and what is the importance. Everyone should have that discussion with their doctors instead of just resorting to fear mongering and name calling.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:15 am to LouisianaLady
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purely because she’s a piece of shite anti Semitic anti-vaxxer.
is that all? lol.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:22 am to STEVED00
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Look there are anti-vaxxers and people that want to understand as much as they can about vaccines before they inject their kids.
yep. and good luck on the due diligence. What i've found are nutjobs on the questioning side (and therefore nothing meaningful) and the prohibition of questioning on the other side.
When it comes to public health, we aren't allowed to question our place among the lowest common denominators, and I get why--that's who we have to account for in preventing epidemics.
The cost-benefit analysis can't be done on an individual level, because of the very nature of public health and disease prevention.
But I believe the YOU WILL BLINDLY OBEY attitude leads (or at least contributes to) to this dichotomy of quackery on one hand and government/institutional dogma on the other. And it doesn't help that the nutritional guidelines the feds have been issuing for about 100 years now are downright atrocious and are responsible for increased cardiovascular disease, diabetes, etc. Hard to just trust them blindly when it comes to matters of health.
Ultimately, I decided I had better things to worry about and got on with my life and research in areas I can actually change.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:23 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:24 am to LNCHBOX
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At this point only a functioning retard would question the science behind vaccines, so if you find yourself doing it, don't expect much patience in the responses you get.
Who is questioning the science? They obviously work. The question is whether we are getting the best product possible and whether all the info on both sides is on the up and up.
The govt oversees the vaccination program. I have a good understanding how the govt works when it comes to making decisions. Lobbyists have significant pull so forgive me if I don’t blindly trust the decisions that are made are in the best interest of the people. In my experience it’s usually that they are “good enough” for the people.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:37 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:35 am to STEVED00
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The govt oversees the vaccination program. I have a good understanding how the govt works when it comes to making decisions. Lobbyists have significant pull so forgive me if I don’t blindly trust the decisions that are made are in the best interest of the people or are “good enough” for the people.
You claim you've done the research and still vaccinate, so at this point, you should be over all the nutjobs that just question question question. They don't deserve patience or civility at this point. People that are anti vax are stupid, end of discussion.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:49 am to LNCHBOX
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You claim you've done the research and still vaccinate, so at this point, you should be over all the nutjobs that just question question question. They don't deserve patience or civility at this point. People that are anti vax are stupid, end of discussion.
You ever thought that there is something in between anti-vax and blindly following CDC. That is all I’m arguing. I want the best product for my kids. My concern with the vaccine program is that they strive to be good enough.
A lot of legislation around vaccines were to prevent frivolous lawsuits from stopping the production (thanks ambulance chasers). I get the reasoning but it just covers the program with a veil of secrecy that is just infuriating.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:50 am to STEVED00
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You ever thought that there is something in between anti-vax and blindly following CDC
Did I not acknowledge that you did the research? I feel like I did.
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I want the best product for my kids. My concern with the vaccine program is that they strive to be good enough.
So you then agree that antivax people are stupid, yes?
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