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re: Another Potential Ammonium Nitrate Incident - Winston Salem, NC

Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25403 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:40 pm to
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We need to stop having neighborhoods so close to plants like this. It is insane.



In a lot of these cases, the houses were built after the plants and marketed towards people who worked in the facilities nearby.

Most of the south side of Chicago was built into neighborhoods around industrial facilities that made steel, oil, trains, and automobiles. In some cases homes were built across the street from the factories where the homeowners worked.

Most of north Baton Rouge was built right up against Exxon/Standard oil or a nearby rail yard for that reason. The neighborhoods were built to house workers, focusing on Scenic Highway and Plank Road as if they were main street. Then the DOTD tore down some of it to build I-110 in the 1960s. Then the 1989 explosion happened and Exxon spent millions to buy out all the houses a few blocks to the east for a "green belt".
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73056 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:40 pm to
Those plants need to be way out in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56505 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:19 pm to
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All current and future ammonium nitrate explosions must use Beirut as a reference.

but we actually got the see the TX explosion, and it was terrifying.
Posted by ColdTurkey
Where the Buffalo roam...
Member since Nov 2019
7634 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:23 pm to
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So there's about 500 tons of ammonium nitrate on site, another 100 tons in rail cars next to the fire.

Firefighters have left the area after trying to control it.

600 tons of ammonium nitrate is likely to go up here. West, TX was about 240 tons. So it could be more than double the size of the West, TX explosion.


Dear freaking God
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7296 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:25 pm to
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but we actually got the see the TX explosion, and it was terrifying.


Bro go Google the Beirut explosion. Lots of footage!
Posted by ColdTurkey
Where the Buffalo roam...
Member since Nov 2019
7634 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:25 pm to
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I'm sitting less than 3/4 of a mile from the plant right now, so hopefully no boom. I was dumb enough to drive around the blockades this morning to get to work cause our boss is a tough guy who texted everyone and said "we're open for business"


Dude I’d gtfo if I were you! Screw that job, your life is far more valuable.
Posted by Konkey Dong
Member since Aug 2013
2168 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:32 pm to
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Do we even use ammonium nitrate for anything besides turbo boosters in street cars? It blows my mind that we get all this risk and death for some Fast & Fury wannabes to do donuts at 3 am.

What a fricking dumbass ha ha ha
Posted by Mor Miles
Member since Apr 2017
422 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:35 pm to
That’s all fine and good, they can supply all of North America for all I care, but it has to have crossed someone’s mind at one point or another that they need to move those rail cars to another location before too many of them accumulate in one spot. Set up satellite staging areas if the customers can’t receive them yet, halt production if that’s what it comes down to. Allowing 600 tons to accumulate in one area is criminally negligent in my mind, they aren’t manufacturing milk and cookies there, someone should have seen this risk potential and mitigated it long ago.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13654 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:55 pm to
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fertilizer dude



Pain in the arse to buy as fertilizer.

Most sold now is Ammonium Sulfate.
Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
Member since Feb 2015
5582 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 4:08 pm to
(HDAN = high density ammonium nitrate) is used as fertilizer

(LDAN = low density ammonium nitrate) as an explosive, mostly in the mining industry.

LDAN absorbs the "fuel" better and makes better ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate Fuel/Oil)
Posted by lsualum01
Member since Sep 2008
1755 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 4:22 pm to
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Pain in the arse to buy as fertilizer. Most sold now is Ammonium Sulfate.


That’s not really for the same application. Usually it is blended with urea and sold as urea-ammonium nitrate, which is much safer and stable chemical to transport.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38620 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:35 pm to
What's the current explosive status on this AN danger?
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