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Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:02 am to LSU6262
Lump. Not guaranteed to live 30 more years even though I’m young and I don’t believe you can pass the payments on to your spouse/kids.
So lump is a safer bet
So lump is a safer bet
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:04 am to Steadyhands
quote:
a winner dies before receiving all annual payments, Mega Millions will continue to pay the annual payments, as scheduled, to the winner's designated beneficiary or to the winner's estate.
In that case I’d take annuity.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:08 am to deltaland
quote:False.
I don’t believe you can pass the payments on to your spouse/kids.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:55 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:
I did laugh when he claimed 4.5% was just slightly more than inflation over the last 20 years.
Inflation over the last 30 years is about a 2.7% average. Anyone can find something to make up the other 1.8% and then some.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:57 am to LSU6262
1. Set up the legal parts with wealth mngmt team
1A. Kill off ALL methods of identification/comms and STFU
2. Set it up in a way I cant get more than a couple mill per year
2A. Fk investments, With 300MM and spending 5MM year to include taxes, I have a good 60 years, I’m 48 now
3. Leave the country and the Mgmt team claim it (if able)
4. Hookers and coke
1A. Kill off ALL methods of identification/comms and STFU
2. Set it up in a way I cant get more than a couple mill per year
2A. Fk investments, With 300MM and spending 5MM year to include taxes, I have a good 60 years, I’m 48 now
3. Leave the country and the Mgmt team claim it (if able)
4. Hookers and coke
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:01 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:
Lump is the ONLY correct answer.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:01 pm to Richard Castle
all you dipshits in this thread debating this are wasting your time. you arent going to win, i am.

Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:03 pm to Winston Cup
This isn't Highlander...
There can be more than 1
There can be more than 1
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:13 pm to ell_13
quote:
I made a spreadsheet... Take 325 and randomize a yearly return between 0 and 10% for 30 years... Then take the annuity schedule that you would net based on today's taxes starting with 10.365 and randomize that between 0 and 10%... Randomized 1000 times, the lump sum ranges from 900MM to 1,800MM but averaging 1,450MM. The annuity is much more stable from 1,050MM and 1,600MM averaging 1,320MM. FWIW. ETA: About 20% of the time, the annuity is more.
So I just ran it vs actual S&P 500 total returns from 1/1/1927 to today. I ignored taxes - just used the actual gross annuity payments that increase by 5% each year from $14,600,000 to $60,000,000 by the last payment and the lump sum of $548,000,000.
I also assumed you'd withdraw $12,000,000 to spend in the first year and 3% more every year after that, but any remaining money would be saved and invested directly into the S&P 500 (ignoring fees and taxes). In either scenario you will withdraw ~$571MM over the 30 years.
In the 60 full 30-year rolling periods, the annuity payments would leave you with an average nest egg of $1.845B, a median nest egg of $1.811B, and a standard deviation of $689MM. Not too shabby whatsoever.
However, investing the lump sum and taking the same annual withdrawals would leave you with an average nest egg of $7.938B, a median nest egg of $8.179B, and a standard deviation of $4.060B.
In only 3 of the 60 annual rolling periods would the annuity have left you with a better nest egg. The lowest annuity nest egg finished at $907MM and the highest was $3.942B.
At one point your $548MM lump sum would have been down to $165MM, and the worst it ever ended was with a nest egg of $581MM. The best it ever ended was with a nest egg of $20.456B.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:16 pm to Boston911
quote:
2A. Fk investments, With 300MM and spending 5MM year to include taxes, I have a good 60 years, I’m 48 now
Why are you hiring a wealth management team if you're not going to invest it?
You guys can enjoy your $300MM, I'd rather be a billionaire.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:19 pm to slackster
Let me make this simple for everyone
If you have no preference in annuity vs lump sum: if you go to a financial professional and they tell you to take the annuity, fire them immediately
If you have no preference in annuity vs lump sum: if you go to a financial professional and they tell you to take the annuity, fire them immediately
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:19 pm to Displaced
quote:
This isn't Highlander...
There can be more than 1
Man that would actually make for excellent TV
Instead of one person winning $1B, 10 people win $100M each and then those people can either keep their $100M or get in the cage against the other winners who take part for a winner take all event.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:21 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Are we allowed a look at their knuckles before deciding?
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:22 pm to slackster
I redid the numbers with the new totals and fixed the formula error I had.
If you invested every cent you took for the lump (340MM):
1.401 billion after 30 years averaging 1000 random runs. Max hit 2.2 billion
If you invested every cent you took for the annuity (10.7MM year 1):
1.320 billion after 30 years average 100 random runs.
Max hi 1.74 billion
Again, the assumptions are the current tax rates and a random 0-10% return over the 30 years.
If you invested every cent you took for the lump (340MM):
1.401 billion after 30 years averaging 1000 random runs. Max hit 2.2 billion
If you invested every cent you took for the annuity (10.7MM year 1):
1.320 billion after 30 years average 100 random runs.
Max hi 1.74 billion
Again, the assumptions are the current tax rates and a random 0-10% return over the 30 years.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:23 pm to ell_13
quote:
Again, the assumptions are the current tax rates and a random 0-10% return over the 30 years.
Not accounting for negative returns makes this useless baw
You just did an extreme study of the irrelevant
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:25 pm to LSU6262
Depends on your age. If you are young, the annuity is probably smart. If you are older, like over 40, the lump sum sounds good.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:27 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:Any randomized run will be useless if you don't take into account ever single factor. But the fact that I'm using the same returns for both situations, limits the deviations of my point: The annuity isn't the worst thing in the world and certainly not as bad as people make it out to be for the reasons they site. (ETA: And negative returns would impact the lump greater than the annuity since less would be personally invested and the yearly 5% increased investment is constant)
Not accounting for negative returns makes this useless baw
You mentioned it earlier. The real risk of the annuity is the lack trust in future taxes.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:29 pm to rd280z
I got news for ya baw, if you think you can go broke with 300 mil all at once, you will also go broke with a billion dollar annuity
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