re: Andrew Jackson's letter on Secession

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MAGA will not like this they are already ready to succeed

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Does your brain function consistently within normal ranges?

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This. The Democrats make the Nazis look like amateurs over their history. They are up there with the CCP in terms of immiserating humanity over almost 200 years. The party of slavery, Jim Crow, Japanese Internment. The list goes on. If the press had any sense of shame, this party would have died in the Civil Rights Era.

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It did die in the Civil Rights era, dude.

It took a president of Scottish ancestry to quell the always rebellious Scottish settlers in the Carolinas.

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Fat and Happy

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he southern states succeeded due to states rights.

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It's "seceded". The South seceded from the Union, allowed by the Constitution.

The matter has been tested and decided. A terrible Civil War decided it and a centralized federal authority was created and enforced by might of arms against states who held an idea of government and Democracy that remained Jeffersonian.

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We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

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The Treaty of Paris in 1783 echoed this understanding of the rights of the individual colonies as independent states.

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Article 1st.
His Britannic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz. New-Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode-Island & Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New-York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina & Georgia, to be free sovereign & Independent States; that he Treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors relinquishes all Claims to the Government Propriety and Territorial Rights of the same & every Part thereof.

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In Article 5 of the Treaty further recognized the individual colonies’ status as sovereign by entreating Congress to persuade the individual state legislatures to treat fairly British subjects in matters of property rights.

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ARTICLE V.
It is agreed that Congress shall earnestly recommend it to the legislatures of the respective states to provide for the restitution of all estates, rights, and properties which have been confiscated, belonging to real British subjects; and also of the estates, rights, and properties of persons resident in districts in the possession of his Majesty's arms, and who have not borne arms against the said United States: And that persons of any other decription shall have free liberty to go to any part or parts of any of the thirteen United States, and therein to remain twelve months unmolested in their endeavours to obtain the restitution of such of their estates, rights, and properties as may have been confiscated; and that Congress shall also earnestly recommend to the several states a reconsideration and revision of all acts or laws regarding the premises, so as to render the said laws or acts perfectly consistent not only with justice and equity, but with that spirit of conciliation which on the return of the blessings of peace should universally prevail.

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Given Andrew Jackson’s history vis a vis slavery, his position on South Carolina’s rights to secede are more about his different understanding of history and our Founding Fathers’ original intents than the institution of slavery. Much the same can be said of Abraham Lincoln as well.

Hmmm, I wonder what his explanation would be on how it was possible for the States to secede from the Confederation of States which, by its nature, was a perpetual union to join the United States? One compact had to be left to join another.

Or, was it ok then (remember Abe was all for secession when Texas was leaving Mexico, but not when it wanted to leave the USA), but not now that he was in POWER?

Nothing says free will like joining a club that will kill you if you leave.

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southern states succeeded due to states rights.

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I love when people bring this up and try to hide the real reason they left. Yes it was the right to own slaves, the they get pissy because you'd point out the reality that their little rebellion that they fetishize is actually just a bunch of rich assholes mad that they can't profit over enslaving people anymore and that the Confederacy was an enemy of America that barley lasted four years. Not much heritage in something that didn't even last half a decade

If only we had a polit board

No, the dems have fabricated a total lie that they “switched” positions with the GOP in the 1960s, when nothing could be further from the truth. Gullible school children are told this and the media repeat it, so the lie continues.